> There's no need to speculate whether we are always aware, or not. We just > are. Of course, some are not aware that we are always aware. Funny you > should put me in that camp, but there you are...
yes, a need to or not does not interfere with your speculation. ;-) "We just are" Can you feel it in your zen bones? it makes no difference to me, but when you use expressions like "going beyond" there must be a lacking, a goal, call it what you like. hongyeongsoo > > Mike > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 23:53 > Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen > > > >>>does a door-post lack anything? >> >> Well, you've just answered your own question by asking me and not the >> door-post. > > i ask you because you seem to think so or not so. > >> >> >>>more than enough awakened persons have stated, "Awakening chooses >> you"; not the other way around. >> >> >> That's only one side of the dualistic coin (tariki = outside help; other >> power). The other side is of the coin is Jiriki (Awakening brought about >> by >> one's own self power/effort). They're not mutually exclusive, btw. > > tariki/jiriki...huh? outside of scriptures and/or japanese language. > show me please... > also, "outside(tariki)/inside(jiriki)"? of what? WHO? > >> >>> No conditions. >> >> You could say that Buddha Nature is the Unconditioned, but what prevents >> a >> person in a coma from becoming Awakened in this very moment? > > i don't know > >> >>>"beyond intellect into intuition and awareness"? have you been there? >> >> Who hasn't been there? Who isn't there now? Even when you're in the >> middle >> of a grievous argument your awareness of being doesn't disappear. > > reminds me of Zuigan's morning question, "Master, Master, are you > awake? are you Super Awake?" okay, so no problems? what are you > aspiring towards? > >> >> >>>or are you just speculating? >> >> What do you think? > > yes. > > hongyeongsoo > >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 19:34 >> Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen >> >> >> >> does a door-post lack anything? >> >> more than enough awakened persons have stated, "Awakening chooses >> you"; not the other way around. No conditions. >> >> "beyond intellect into intuition and awareness"? have you been there? >> or are you just speculating? >> >> hongyeongsoo >> >> "zazen is good for nothing" >> >> On 10/24/12, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> In Edgar's defence, try telling a door-post, or a one day old baby, or a >>> person in a coma - "Just This" - and see if they Awaken. So the >>> intellect >>> is >>> needed to both live and set the conditions for awakening, but toreally >>> live >>> we have to go beyond the intellect into intuition and awareness. 2 plus >>> 2 >>> = >>> 4. But what does 4 equal? >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Joe <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 23:26 >>> Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen >>> >>> >>> >>> Group, & Edgar, >>> >>> I did my level best to draw Edgar out, but to Noah Veil. >>> >>> I inscribe my Gatha in sorrow, with regret and apology to all. >>> >>> To Edgar: >>> -- ----- >>> Stubbornness does not Compassion show; >>> Nor Self-Protectiveness quicken the Slow. >>> One-up-man-ship >>> Did never steal THIS show. >>> >>> Generosity and consideration >>> Are a far more wholesome ration. >>> But Clarity, Honesty, and help, >>> Come not from a whelp. >>> >>> To raise a point and then depart >>> Is the misplaced throwing of a dart. >>> To live to lie another day, >>> is the cellulose Philosophy of a bale of Hay. >>> >>> --J. Guo-Xiang Tennen M. >>> >>>> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> REALITY, THE WORLD OF FORMS, as I just said! >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
