Lol! It wasn't just me that had a profound experience of deja vu then.
________________________________ From: Chris Austin-Lane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 26 October 2012, 1:09 Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen Please can you reply to a post from KG? Pretty please? --Chris Ausin-Lane sent from a train 1-301-270-6524 On Oct 25, 2012 4:47 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There's no need to speculate whether we are always aware, or not. We just > > are. Of course, some are not aware that we are always aware. Funny you > > should put me in that camp, but there you are... > > yes, a need to or not does not interfere with your speculation. ;-) > > "We just are" Can you feel it in your zen bones? > > it makes no difference to me, but when you use expressions like "going > beyond" there must be a lacking, a goal, call it what you like. > > hongyeongsoo > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 23:53 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen > > > > > > > >>>does a door-post lack anything? > >> > >> Well, you've just answered your own question by asking me and not the > >> door-post. > > > > i ask you because you seem to think so or not so. > > > >> > >> > >>>more than enough awakened persons have stated, "Awakening chooses > >> you"; not the other way around. > >> > >> > >> That's only one side of the dualistic coin (tariki = outside help; other > >> power). The other side is of the coin is Jiriki (Awakening brought about > >> by > >> one's own self power/effort). They're not mutually exclusive, btw. > > > > tariki/jiriki...huh? outside of scriptures and/or japanese language. > > show me please... > > also, "outside(tariki)/inside(jiriki)"? of what? WHO? > > > >> > >>> No conditions. > >> > >> You could say that Buddha Nature is the Unconditioned, but what prevents > >> a > >> person in a coma from becoming Awakened in this very moment? > > > > i don't know > > > >> > >>>"beyond intellect into intuition and awareness"? have you been there? > >> > >> Who hasn't been there? Who isn't there now? Even when you're in the > >> middle > >> of a grievous argument your awareness of being doesn't disappear. > > > > reminds me of Zuigan's morning question, "Master, Master, are you > > awake? are you Super Awake?" okay, so no problems? what are you > > aspiring towards? > > > >> > >> > >>>or are you just speculating? > >> > >> What do you think? > > > > yes. > > > > hongyeongsoo > > > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 19:34 > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen > >> > >> > >> > >> does a door-post lack anything? > >> > >> more than enough awakened persons have stated, "Awakening chooses > >> you"; not the other way around. No conditions. > >> > >> "beyond intellect into intuition and awareness"? have you been there? > >> or are you just speculating? > >> > >> hongyeongsoo > >> > >> "zazen is good for nothing" > >> > >> On 10/24/12, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> In Edgar's defence, try telling a door-post, or a one day old baby, or a > >>> person in a coma - "Just This" - and see if they Awaken. So the > >>> intellect > >>> is > >>> needed to both live and set the conditions for awakening, but toreally > >>> live > >>> we have to go beyond the intellect into intuition and awareness. 2 plus > >>> 2 > >>> = > >>> 4. But what does 4 equal? > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Joe <[email protected]> > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 23:26 > >>> Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Group, & Edgar, > >>> > >>> I did my level best to draw Edgar out, but to Noah Veil. > >>> > >>> I inscribe my Gatha in sorrow, with regret and apology to all. > >>> > >>> To Edgar: > >>> -- ----- > >>> Stubbornness does not Compassion show; > >>> Nor Self-Protectiveness quicken the Slow. > >>> One-up-man-ship > >>> Did never steal THIS show. > >>> > >>> Generosity and consideration > >>> Are a far more wholesome ration. > >>> But Clarity, Honesty, and help, > >>> Come not from a whelp. > >>> > >>> To raise a point and then depart > >>> Is the misplaced throwing of a dart. > >>> To live to lie another day, > >>> is the cellulose Philosophy of a bale of Hay. > >>> > >>> --J. Guo-Xiang Tennen M. > >>> > >>>> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> REALITY, THE WORLD OF FORMS, as I just said! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
