Edgar, You wouldn't happen to be a Republican, would you? Or maybe even a 'Tea Party' Republican?
Your argument here is the same as the current USA political statements about businesses, 'You didn't build that' and 'Yes I did, all by myself'. Anyone building a business did so with the help of the copious publicly-funded infrastructure in place. It's true they took it the last steps, but they did not build it 'all by themselves'. I believe it's the same with Siddhartha and Jesus. I know it was for me! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Joe, > > You of course miss the point completely. > > NONE of these teachers "awakened him to Buddhahood". > > He did that on his own simply by realizing the true nature of reality WITHOUT > THE HELP OF A TEACHER. > > Edgar > > > > On Oct 26, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Joe wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > Shakyamuni had five great teachers. He was their best student. He was in > > fact an exemplary student. He practiced their way to the utmost, and he > > became exhausted. He accepted a vessel of milk from the milkmaid, and sat > > under one of my Bodhi trees. After some time, the morning star appeared and > > he awoke. If he'd had no teachers, and no practice, the star might have > > appeared on schedule every day, but in vain from his point of view. > > > > He could open because he was prepared by his teachers and by his practice, > > and not lolly-gagging. > > > > You have nothing to prove. > > > > --Joe > > > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > You claim that "you cannot do the work to awaken on your own". > > > > > > O really, then who pray tell was Buddha's teacher since he had no human > > > teacher? > > > > > > Give up? > > > > > > Answer. It was reality as I've been trying to explain to you. > > > > > > I prove my point... > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
