Edgar,

Shakyamuni had five great teachers.  He was their best student.  He was in fact 
an exemplary student.  He practiced their way to the utmost, and he became 
exhausted.  He accepted a vessel of milk from the milkmaid, and sat under one 
of my Bodhi trees.  After some time, the morning star appeared and he awoke.  
If he'd had no teachers, and no practice, the star might have appeared on 
schedule every day, but in vain from his point of view.

He could open because he was prepared by his teachers and by his practice, and 
not lolly-gagging.

You have nothing to prove.

--Joe

> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
> 
> You claim that "you cannot do the work to awaken on your own".
> 
> O really, then who pray tell was Buddha's teacher since he had no human 
> teacher?
> 
> Give up?
> 
> Answer. It was reality as I've been trying to explain to you.
> 
> I prove my point...




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