Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone
On Oct 26, 2012, at 18:06, Edgar Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Chris, > > The self exists just as all illusions exist. The idea of self exists. That is all. > There is no need to 'cling' to it. But nevertheless it exists. How funny we can cling to that which is not. > > Without a sense of self humans could not function. > > Realization is NOT to deny self (while still having it of course because > there has to actually be a self that denies itself!) but to understand the > nature of the reality of the illusion of self. > > Edgar > > > > > On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:23 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > >> >> There is nothing whatsoever to be clung to as 'me' or 'mine.' >> >> On Oct 26, 2012 5:22 PM, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Edgar, >>> >>> He -- your Shakyamuni -- never truly had an "own", and that's the only >>> reason why he was ABLE to awaken. >>> >>> His teachers helped him to be CAPABLE to do so. >>> >>> You have no "own", either. >>> >>> And, for all your faith in the Universe, I'm surprised that you don't see >>> teachers as PART of the universe. They are a very CONCENTRATED part of the >>> universe, which/who/that know(s) just how to stir a Human's feathers, and >>> how get them to jump. They are thus probably the most compassionate part >>> of the universe. Hail! >>> >>> They are all around you: under your nose even!, as you say. >>> >>> Never too soon to sniff them out/in. ;-) >>> >>> --Joe >>> >>> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>> > >>> > He did that on his own simply by realizing the true nature of reality >>> > WITHOUT THE HELP OF A TEACHER. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are >>> reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> > > > >
