Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Am using a different account ...used to write in as taomtnsage1 until yahoo screwed things up for me. At any rate...you guys must have been lawyers or rabbis in a different life together by the way you argue back and forth and dissect things! As a Muse of 40 plus years I can tell you I've had many a patient eat just ice cream and or toast every day and live for many years...well over 6 years. Obviously it's not healthy and their strength was not the greatest but it definitely can be done. Keep up the good work...I learn from all of [email protected]
--- Original Message --- From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> Sent: November 22, 2012 11/22/12 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the zen spirit Bill, I've answered this repeatedly though I'll be happy to again. Realization (Zen) is directly experiencing reality as it actually is. Intelligence allows those ON THE WAY to discern what is actually real and what is illusory. Only then can reality (the reality of the world of forms) as it actually is be directly experienced. Only then can we be sure that our direct experience is of reality rather than illusion... That your "just this" is Just this REALITY instead of just this ILLUSION since both reality and illusion can be directly experienced. So this applies to realization of the Buddha Nature of the WORLD OF FORMS, not the formless, though intelligence is equally important to the UNDERSTANDING though not the EXPERIENCE of the formless. So intelligence is a necessary step ON THE way. It is NOT realization but a necessary step to achieve realization... Anyone who has read my posts here will see I've said this many times before... Many times though I know it hasn't been well understood and people mistakenly accuse me of claiming intellectual understanding is Zen. I've never said that as you can see above it's not my belief.... Thanks for asking and sorry if this wasn't clear before. Hope it is now.... EDgar On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Bill! wrote: Edgar, I'll give you the benefit of a doubt - a very BIG doubt... Here it is again: What role do you think intelligence has in realizing Buddha Nature? That's it...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > What question(s) haven't I answered? > > I think I've answered everyone put to me... Perhaps it was a matter of > missing my answer? > > Edgar > > > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:39 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Edgar, > > > > You've got a lot of gall to ask others questions when you avoid answering > > any that are put to you. I, on the other hand, always answer questions > > directed specifically to me, and in this case will answer yours directly > > generally to the group. > > > > Although I am not a nutritionalist after I researched these two foods I do > > think a human could exist on yam leaves and rice for 6 years. Here are > > links to the nutritional information: > > > > Brown Rice > > > > Yam Leaves > > > > I also have to add that your attack on Joe's guru's claim of diet is as far > > as I'm concerned a red herring (pardon the pun) and actually has nothing at > > all to do with the effectiveness of the relationship Joe believed he > > had/has with his guru. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > OK, please answer a simple question and we will see. :-) > > > > > > Do you believe any human being could subsist only on yam leaves and rice > > > for 6 years or do you agree with me it's simply impossible? > > > > > > The fate of your immortal soul and entry into the Buddhahood realm rests > > > on a correct and honest answer to this simple question! > > > :-) > > > > > > I challenge everyone on this group who is at all interested in the truth > > > and who understands that belief in falsehood is illusion and thus that > > > truth is essential to realization to give us THEIR answer to this > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:44 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > edgar..what do you take me for?..a fool..merle > > > > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > Get real and use your brain Merle! It's not the number of calories but > > > > the necessary nutrients for life are missing. > > > > > > > > Hot water? Well I like that myself (I usually add several spices and > > > > sometimes lemon juice) but I hope you don't think anyone can subsist on > > > > it? > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> because he did no heavy labour all day he needed less food... > > > >> how long did he live?... > > > >> plain hot water is great!... > > > >> does not believe in the principles of nutrition and you just ran with > > > >> that joe?.. > > > >> what?... > > > >> where is your zen spirit?. > > > >> .merle > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Anyone who tries to convince you he lived on wild yam leaves and rice > > > >> for 6 years begins to sound like the oriental typical guru putting one > > > >> over on gullible disciples. > > > >> > > > >> How much did you pay him total for 'enlightening' you? > > > >> > > > >> Edgar > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Nov 20, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Joe wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> Edgar, > > > >>> > > > >>> Negative. > > > >>> > > > >>> I suggest a reading of Ch'an Master Sheng's autobiography. > > > >>> > > > >>> When he taught us, he would often urge us to eat "properly" in our > > > >>> daily lives as we practice. But he added that he "does not believe in > > > >>> the principles of nutrition". That was always very interesting to me, > > > >>> but I never questioned him in ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
