You guys are too much! First of all I've been an RN for over 40 years and not a Muse! I have indeed been with these people for many years and when I'm not with them another nurse is and what their intake is for both food and fluids is recorded. Also, believe it or not, these people, many of them lived on one or two hoodsies for one or maybe two meals. Same with the toast and tea. Am simply stating one professional's observation. The answer for me for alot of what you guys argue about came from Chang Tzu's " water is for fishes." Happy seeking or just being.. [email protected]
--- Original Message --- From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> Sent: November 22, 2012 11/22/12 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the zen spirit Laughing Water, First thanks for joining the conversation. Second all the stories such as the one you mention turn out to be hoaxes when investigated. And of course they are impossible to scientifically confirm unless you yourself were in the company of this ice cream and toast person 24/7 for many years which is obviously impossible. So you are just repeating what he/she told you without any objective confirmation. However such hoaxes are often easy to falsify and often are. In fact there is a guy in India who has made it his mission to go around exposing all the 'gurus' that sneak out for good meals between claiming they eat only this and that. He also debunks their supposed superpower tricks. Sort of like an Indian Randy. He's exposed hundreds of them.... What you probably mean when you say this person lived ONLY on ice cream and toast is that he/she ate a lot (too much) of those two items. But NOT only those items which is simply not credible. It's an important scientific distinction to discriminate accurately between All the time and Some of time. Credibility and truth depend on getting it right. And Zen realization depends on knowing the TRUE nature of the world of forms especially when it concerns the claims by or about Zen teachers. Best, Edgar On Nov 22, 2012, at 12:37 PM, [email protected] wrote: Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Am using a different account ...used to write in as taomtnsage1 until yahoo screwed things up for me. At any rate...you guys must have been lawyers or rabbis in a different life together by the way you argue back and forth and dissect things! As a Muse of 40 plus years I can tell you I've had many a patient eat just ice cream and or toast every day and live for many years...well over 6 years. Obviously it's not healthy and their strength was not the greatest but it definitely can be done. Keep up the good work...I learn from all of [email protected] --- Original Message --- From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> Sent: November 22, 2012 11/22/12 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the zen spirit Bill, I've answered this repeatedly though I'll be happy to again. Realization (Zen) is directly experiencing reality as it actually is. Intelligence allows those ON THE WAY to discern what is actually real and what is illusory. Only then can reality (the reality of the world of forms) as it actually is be directly experienced. Only then can we be sure that our direct experience is of reality rather than illusion... That your "just this" is Just this REALITY instead of just this ILLUSION since both reality and illusion can be directly experienced. So this applies to realization of the Buddha Nature of the WORLD OF FORMS, not the formless, though intelligence is equally important to the UNDERSTANDING though not the EXPERIENCE of the formless. So intelligence is a necessary step ON THE way. It is NOT realization but a necessary step to achieve realization... Anyone who has read my posts here will see I've said this many times before... Many times though I know it hasn't been well understood and people mistakenly accuse me of claiming intellectual understanding is Zen. I've never said that as you can see above it's not my belief.... Thanks for asking and sorry if this wasn't clear before. Hope it is now.... EDgar On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Bill! wrote: Edgar, I'll give you the benefit of a doubt - a very BIG doubt... Here it is again: What role do you think intelligence has in realizing Buddha Nature? That's it...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > What question(s) haven't I answered? > > I think I've answered everyone put to me... Perhaps it was a matter of > missing my answer? > > Edgar > > > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:39 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Edgar, > > > > You've got a lot of gall to ask others questions when you avoid answering > > any that are put to you. I, on the other hand, always answer questions > > directed specifically to me, and in this case will answer yours directly > > generally to the group. > > > > Although I am not a nutritionalist after I researched these two foods I do > > think a human could exist on yam leaves and rice for 6 years. Here are > > links to the nutritional information: > > > > Brown Rice > > > > Yam Leaves > > > > I also have to add that your attack on Joe's guru's claim of diet is as far > > as I'm concerned a red herring (pardon the pun) and actually has nothing at > > all to do with the effectiveness of the relationship Joe believed he > > had/has with his guru. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > OK, please answer a simple question and we will see. :-) > > > > > > Do you believe any human being could subsist only on yam leaves and rice > > > for 6 years or do you agree with me it's simply impossible? > > > > > > The fate of your immortal soul and ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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