AN ICE CREAM GURU!!! ...and welcome (back) laugingwater1.
Please, Please, PLEASE!, post something that has even the slightest connection with zen. We need help right now! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "laughingwater1@..." <laughingwater1@...> wrote: > > Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Am using a different account ...used to write in > as taomtnsage1 until yahoo screwed things up for me. At any rate...you guys > must have been lawyers or rabbis in a different life together by the way you > argue back and forth and dissect things! As a Muse of 40 plus years I can > tell you I've had many a patient eat just ice cream and or toast every day > and live for many years...well over 6 years. Obviously it's not healthy and > their strength was not the greatest but it definitely can be done. Keep up > the good work...I learn from all of you...laughingwater1@... > > --- Original Message --- > > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> > Sent: November 22, 2012 11/22/12 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the zen spirit > > Â > > Bill, > > > I've answered this repeatedly though I'll be happy to again. > > > Realization (Zen) is directly experiencing reality as it actually is. > > > Intelligence allows those ON THE WAY to discern what is actually real and > what is illusory. > > > Only then can reality (the reality of the world of forms) as it actually is > be directly experienced. Only then can we be sure that our direct experience > is of reality rather than illusion... That your "just this" is Just this > REALITY instead of just this ILLUSION since both reality and illusion can be > directly experienced. > > > So this applies to realization of the Buddha Nature of the WORLD OF FORMS, > not the formless, though intelligence is equally important to the > UNDERSTANDING though not the EXPERIENCE of the formless. > > > So intelligence is a necessary step ON THE way. It is NOT realization but a > necessary step to achieve realization... > > > Anyone who has read my posts here will see I've said this many times > before... Many times though I know it hasn't been well understood and people > mistakenly accuse me of claiming intellectual understanding is Zen. I've > never said that as you can see above it's not my belief.... > > > > > Thanks for asking and sorry if this wasn't clear before. Hope it is now.... > > > EDgar > > > > > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Bill! wrote: > Â > > Edgar, > > I'll give you the benefit of a doubt - a very BIG doubt... > > Here it is again: > > What role do you think intelligence has in realizing Buddha Nature? > > That's it...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > What question(s) haven't I answered? > > > > I think I've answered everyone put to me... Perhaps it was a matter of > > missing my answer? > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:39 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > You've got a lot of gall to ask others questions when you avoid answering > > > any that are put to you. I, on the other hand, always answer questions > > > directed specifically to me, and in this case will answer yours directly > > > generally to the group. > > > > > > Although I am not a nutritionalist after I researched these two foods I > > > do think a human could exist on yam leaves and rice for 6 years. Here are > > > links to the nutritional information: > > > > > > Brown Rice > > > > > > Yam Leaves > > > > > > I also have to add that your attack on Joe's guru's claim of diet is as > > > far as I'm concerned a red herring (pardon the pun) and actually has > > > nothing at all to do with the effectiveness of the relationship Joe > > > believed he had/has with his guru. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > OK, please answer a simple question and we will see. :-) > > > > > > > > Do you believe any human being could subsist only on yam leaves and > > > > rice for 6 years or do you agree with me it's simply impossible? > > > > > > > > The fate of your immortal soul and entry into the Buddhahood realm > > > > rests on a correct and honest answer to this simple question! > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > I challenge everyone on this group who is at all interested in the > > > > truth and who understands that belief in falsehood is illusion and thus > > > > that truth is essential to realization to give us THEIR answer to this > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:44 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > edgar..what do you take me for?..a fool..merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > Get real and use your brain Merle! It's not the number of calories > > > > > but the necessary nutrients for life are missing. > > > > > > > > > > Hot water? Well I like that myself (I usually add several spices and > > > > > sometimes lemon juice) but I hope you don't think anyone can subsist > > > > > on it? > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> because he did no heavy labour all day he needed less food... > > > > >> how long did he live?... > > > > >> plain hot water is great!... > > > > >> does not believe in the principles of nutrition and you just ran > > > > >> with that joe?.. > > > > >> what?... > > > > >> where is your zen spirit?. > > > > >> .merle > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Anyone who tries to convince you he lived on wild yam leaves and > > > > >> rice for 6 years begins to sound like the oriental typical guru > > > > >> putting one over on gullible disciples. > > > > >> > > > > >> How much did you pay him total for 'enlightening' you? > > > > >> > > > > >> Edgar > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On Nov 20, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Edgar, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Negative. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I suggest a reading of Ch'an Master Sheng's autobiography. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> When he taught us, he would often urge us to eat "properly" in our > > > > >>> daily lives as we practice. But he added that he "does not believe > > > > >>> in the principles of nutrition". That was always very interesting > > > > >>> to me, but I never questioned him in > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
