Merle, et al... My zen interpretation of Descartes "I think, therefor I am" is that as soon as you think you created dualism which include the dualism of self/other - or the concept of 'I'.
So it you don't want an 'I' then drop the internationalization - the dualism. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > Â group..... > > .a surprise prize for new versions of: > > "i think therefore i am" > > Â here is one from me: > > "i am therefore i think" > > > merle > > Â > Group, > > I'm interested in your "pensees". > > Rene Descartes was the French philosopher who published his "Pensees" to > great acclaim; it has been an influential study in Western Philosophy, and > elsewhere, for centuries. > > The book, "Thoughts", or "Meditations" is the record of his attempts to find > what he calls "clear and distinct" ideas. He tried to begin with the most > basic thought, or idea: he looked for what he could absolutely not DOUBT. He > looked, and he looked. Some would say he meditated on it (but not in the Zen > way, probably). This is why the title is almost always translated as > "Meditations" in English. But we know what the translators mean (if we can > remember to the time before we began meditation practice). I think of the > book as "Thoughts", or "Pensees". > > Descartes writes that when he engages in his meditations, he finds that what > he cannot doubt is that he "thinks" (probably many of us do, too, when we > meditate). > > He took it a step further, and deduced that, because he thinks, he exists. > > The "cogito" is the famous proposition he coined: > > "Cogito, ergo sum." > > "I think, therefore I am." > > Now, a question for the group is, how does an awakened person view the cogito? > > Or, what would an awakened person say, instead?, if asked to find something > that he/she could not DOUBT. > > Don't all say "Mu", at once, though. I'll worry it's a stampede. > > And, is there something like the cogito that an awakened person would compose? > > --Joe > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
