Edgar,

You made me think (damn you!).  ;-)

> > AND it's important to understand that quote applies ALSO to illusions in 
> > Zen.

Only two little problems with what you say there, as I see it/them.

(1.) When an apparition or presentation is still an illusion to one, it shows 
nothing to one of the nature behind it; one is "open" only to seeing the 
illusory cover, the (karmically) transfigured substrate, and senses nothing of 
the absolute Nature;

(2.) When one is awake, appearances and presentations of all types are simply 
the radiance of the Tathagatha, manifestations of this wondrous Mind.  There 
are NO illusions.

(now back to our regularly-scheduled Samadhi bliss).

--Joe
 
> > AND it's important to understand that quote applies ALSO to illusions in 
> > Zen.




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