Edgar,

Yeah, yeah, but as you know, it's nothing at all until perceived.

There is no before and after, to the perceiver.  No special status that the 
illusion has, while it is not yet perceived as This Mind.  Only the perceiver 
gets to make the perception.

You're trying to be on two bases at once.  Only the perceiver can judge the 
character of things.  You may not do so.  You are not an Umpire, Edgar!

In fact, there is no theory.

--Joe

> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
> 
> Well you can say it that way which I have no argument with. I just say that 
> the illusions SEEN or REALIZED as illusions are reality. You say they are no 
> longer illusions but reality. I have no problem with that but I think it runs 
> the risk of misunderstanding the world of forms because what was called an 
> illusion before has not somehow mysteriously changed it's character, it's 
> character has just been realized.



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