Edgar, >The holocaust is about as absolute truth as you can get.
Then you don't understand the difference between 'conventional' and 'absolute'. Where did the holocaust begin and end? Has it, in fact, ended (eg trauma, injuries etc)? Who was involved in the Holocaust? Just the Jews imprisoned and their German guards? German civilians? The West who turned a blind eye to the intelligence about it? Was a German civilian who made the chemicals for the gas chambers (but didn't know what it was to be used for) part of the Holocaust etc. etc? Why isn't a Dutch civilian who sheltered a family of Jews a part of the Holocaust and why isn't that selflessness a thing of beauty? You say "Mountains are mountains", but is the small rock on the side of the valley just a rock, part of the valley or part of the mountain? If it gets wedged in your boot and you bring it home - what have you brought home and when did it change? Labels change. Absolutes don't. Mike ________________________________ From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012, 12:11 Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty Merle and Mike, The holocaust is about as absolute truth as you can get. There is no doubt at all that it occurred... Feel good catchy aphorisms are not Zen... Accurate language is Zen because it correctly expresses reality. "Truth=Beauty" is NOT true, nor is it beautiful..... Edgar On Nov 25, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > edgar..there is some truth to what mike posts..are you listening?..merle > > > >Edgar, > >>The holocaust is truth. Was the holocaust beautiful? > >The Holocaust is actually a conventional truth and not an absolute truth. >Also, there are examples of people giving shelter to Jews at great risk to >themselves and their families. Isn't this an example of beauty? > >Mike > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2012, 23:39 >Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty > > > >Merle and Joe, > > >This is so obvious. > > >The holocaust is truth. Was the holocaust beautiful? > > >If not then TRUTH IS NOT = BEAUTY. > > >You two need to start using your heads on this. > > >If you don't agree then to you the holocaust and all other horrible truths are >beautiful... > > > > >Edgar > > > > > > > > > > >On Nov 25, 2012, at 5:10 PM, Joe wrote: > > >>Edgar, >> >>Thanks, yep. >> >>That's me; warm and fuzzy; fuzzy and warm. I have left hard-headed >>left-brain sidedness aside. At least in my post with Merle!, which is where >>it counts. >> >>With you, I reverse the hemispherectomy, and come at you with both fists. >> >>I mean, just don't tempt me. >> >>;-) >> >>--Joe >> >>> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>> >>> This is fuzzy thinking on your part. Mathematicians and many scientists >>> agree with me that truth is beautiful, but it is not beauty itself, it's >>> mathematical and scientific truth which has THE CHARACTERISTIC of beauty. >>> >>> Important distinction though I doubt it will register with the fuzzy >>> minded... >> >> > > > > > > >
