Mike, You are nit picking. Merle just said truth is beauty and beauty truth. She did not qualify truth into absolute and conventional...
Edgar On Nov 26, 2012, at 2:45 PM, mike brown wrote: > > Edgar, > > >The holocaust is about as absolute truth as you can get. > > Then you don't understand the difference between 'conventional' and > 'absolute'. Where did the holocaust begin and end? Has it, in fact, ended (eg > trauma, injuries etc)? Who was involved in the Holocaust? Just the Jews > imprisoned and their German guards? German civilians? The West who turned a > blind eye to the intelligence about it? Was a German civilian who made the > chemicals for the gas chambers (but didn't know what it was to be used for) > part of the Holocaust etc. etc? Why isn't a Dutch civilian who sheltered a > family of Jews a part of the Holocaust and why isn't that selflessness a > thing of beauty? > > You say "Mountains are mountains", but is the small rock on the side of the > valley just a rock, part of the valley or part of the mountain? If it gets > wedged in your boot and you bring it home - what have you brought home and > when did it change? Labels change. Absolutes don't. > > Mike > > > From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012, 12:11 > Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty > > > Merle and Mike, > > The holocaust is about as absolute truth as you can get. There is no doubt at > all that it occurred... > > Feel good catchy aphorisms are not Zen... > > Accurate language is Zen because it correctly expresses reality. > > "Truth=Beauty" is NOT true, nor is it beautiful..... > > Edgar > > > > On Nov 25, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > >> >> >> >> edgar..there is some truth to what mike posts..are you listening?..merle >> >> >> Edgar, >> >> >The holocaust is truth. Was the holocaust beautiful? >> >> The Holocaust is actually a conventional truth and not an absolute truth. >> Also, there are examples of people giving shelter to Jews at great risk to >> themselves and their families. Isn't this an example of beauty? >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2012, 23:39 >> Subject: Re: [Zen] truth is beauty >> >> >> Merle and Joe, >> >> This is so obvious. >> >> The holocaust is truth. Was the holocaust beautiful? >> >> If not then TRUTH IS NOT = BEAUTY. >> >> You two need to start using your heads on this. >> >> If you don't agree then to you the holocaust and all other horrible truths >> are beautiful... >> >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 25, 2012, at 5:10 PM, Joe wrote: >> >>> >>> Edgar, >>> >>> Thanks, yep. >>> >>> That's me; warm and fuzzy; fuzzy and warm. I have left hard-headed >>> left-brain sidedness aside. At least in my post with Merle!, which is where >>> it counts. >>> >>> With you, I reverse the hemispherectomy, and come at you with both fists. >>> >>> I mean, just don't tempt me. >>> >>> ;-) >>> >>> --Joe >>> >>> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>> > >>> > This is fuzzy thinking on your part. Mathematicians and many scientists >>> > agree with me that truth is beautiful, but it is not beauty itself, it's >>> > mathematical and scientific truth which has THE CHARACTERISTIC of beauty. >>> > >>> > Important distinction though I doubt it will register with the fuzzy >>> > minded... >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
