RAF,

FOXFIRE books are a core part of my cellulose, cerebral, muscular, and steel, 
wood, and etc., Library.

Many empty jelly jars here.  Now I know what to do with them.  Hope not to have 
to.  ;-)

Be seeing you!, no matter what happens.

;-)

--Joe

PS Radio shack here is up on battery power, solar re-charged.  Backup is City 
power.  ;-]

> R A Fonda <rafonda@...> wrote:
>
> On 11/29/2012 8:40 PM, Joe wrote:
> > Hope you saw it last night, both the moon and Jupiter 
> 
> The moon just rose above the ridge a little while ago, behind the bare 
> branches of the trees; very dramatic, with a strong halo ... pink outer 
> ring and an inner white to faintly golden ring almost as wide as the 
> moon's diameter. One of the all-time great ones.
> 
>  > What else should I stock-pile? <
> 
> I dunno ... I'm not 'that kind' of a stock-pile survivalist. I am just 
> working toward as much self-sufficency as is practical: kinda like the 
> old-timers around here lived in the late 1800s, with orchards, gardens, 
> vineyards, berry patches, etc..., and I am not expecting things to get 
> suddenly savage, but just to spiral downward in a continuation of 
> current trends. For instance, I am maintaining heirloom seed lines in 
> our garden crops, and have scrounged up old fruit-tree cultivars that 
> will live without spraying. I found varieties of cherry and plum trees 
> that the Amerinds grew, which can be propagated by root-shoots, so they 
> don't need to be grafted, and they don't need spraying though, of 
> course, they don't make commercial quality fruits or yield heavily. 
> Eighty + years ago people were living all over these mountains, which 
> are now part of the national forests, and there are still apple trees 
> growing out in those forests where there were small farms. The trees now 
> growing there are either root sprouts or seedlings from those old trees, 
> that have survived without care for all these decades. I went out, some 
> years ago, and gathered half a pick-up load of apples from the better 
> trees with nice fruit. I planted all the seeds, and got hundreds of 
> seedlings, and gave them very little care for a couple of years. For the 
> last couple of years I have been planting the most vigorous survivors 
> wherever I can find a good site, and I gave a lot away to people who 
> appreciated the idea of saving these old cultivars. Last year I found 
> fox-crap full of wild persimmon seeds, so I planted them. I dug up some 
> really antique grape vines where an old house was being bulldozed, so I 
> do things like that rather than just 'stock-piling' stuff, though the 
> day will come when buying vast amounts of consumer goods that wont spoil 
> (aluminum foil and canning jar lids come to mind) might be a great 
> investment.
> 
> RAF
>




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