mike...what is the difference?..merle Merle,
I`m ex-armed forces. But even if I was - there`s a difference between killing and murder. Mike --- On Sat, 12/1/13, Merle Lester <[email protected]> wrote: >From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> >Subject: [Zen] a light heart >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Date: Saturday, 12 January, 2013, 8:06 > > > > > > hi mike...aren't you in the armed forces?...is there not times when one is >faced with the "enemy" and must kill in order to survive? > yes a i agree with you...a life with a light heart is a beautiful >expression...merle > >Hi Merle, > > >It does look counter-intuitive, but we all have to die sometime. Better to >have lived well up to the point of death (no matter how premature or cruel the >manner in which it comes), than to go thru life knowing that you have >committed the act of murder. I know I want to meet my end having enjoyed life >with a light heart. Imagine going thru life (and your death) with all the >baggage that would come with having murdered someone. > > >Mike > >--- On Tue, 8/1/13, Merle Lester <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [Zen] Karma is real and free will is illusion. >>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>Date: Tuesday, 8 January, 2013, 18:13 >> >> >> >> >> >> mike >> >> >> just curious...how does that sit well with your career... better to be a >>victim of a murder?..merle >> >> >> >>Suresh, >> >> >>I think there`s a big difference between Buddhism and Christianity. Morality >>in the latter is more concerned with our actions on others than it is in >>Buddhism, which is much more concerned with our actions as they affect >>ourselves. For example, in Buddhism it is much better for us to be the victim >>of a murder than it is to be the murderer. The cost of being spat on pales to >>the cost of the person who did the spitting. >> >> >>My idea of karma/causation is in agreement with Buddha`s when he said that if >>you do this this will follow. If you don`t do this then that won`t follow. In >>other words, it all comes back down to what makes us suffer. >> >> >>Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >>--- On Mon, 7/1/13, SURESH JAGADEESAN <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>From: SURESH JAGADEESAN <[email protected]> >>>Subject: [Zen] Karma is real and free will is illusion. >>>To: [email protected] >>>Date: Monday, 7 January, 2013, 21:30 >>> >>> >>>Dear Joe, >>> >>>I agree to your argument to some extent, but still I have doubts. >>> >>>Joe: In the awakened state, karma and free will are moot, and do not >>>operate. Yet, if we slide backward from the awakened state, and fall >>>into delusion even a bit, karma (our previous conditioning, >>>mind-habits, and the past and future results of these) will again >>>influence us, and we will find that our behavior is not in accord with >>>the Precepts any longer. - One must still practice in order to remain >>>awake. >>> >>>Suresh: Buddha himself states that Siddhartha was died long time back >>>and no one had noticed it. It means in the moment of awakening to >>>Buddhahood, the Siddhartha died, again it means his mind is totally >>>died and never to born. In your statement you state that the awakened >>>one can fall back if he doesn’t practice. If one can fall back means >>>he is not an enlightened one. A Buddha cannot fall back. >>> >>>Ramana Maharishi states that a guru is person who continuously abides >>>in self, no one and no situation can change his state of being one >>>with self. >>> >>>It looks like you are talking about your state; you seem deluded in >>>your misunderstanding of Buddhahood. You are not open. You are glued >>>to zen and feel superior over others in this forum since you have long >>>practice of zen. This long practice itself seems hindrance to be fully >>>awakened as Buddha. It is the problem of following something. >>>J.Krishnamurti states that divine is pathless land. >>> >>>So my dear Joe, please be alert from your zen practice. >>> >>>Joe: But, now, free will is not "real", as karma is not "real". >>> >>>Suresh: Please note free will is not real. But’ karma’ is real. Karma >>>is real as long as you consider yourself as body. Even if you see >>>yourself as pure consciousness / self / Buddhahood, the body born to >>>be you will follow karma until its destruction. >>> >>>Hence Buddha also not exempted from karma. And hence once in Buddha >>>life, a person came and spitted on his face. This action to his body, >>>he himself states that it is due to his past karma. So even a Buddha >>>is not spared from karma. So Karma is real. >>> >>>Since Karma is real, there is no ‘free will’. All our actions are >>>influenced, if you consciously watch your actions you will know. As >>>long as you are influenced by any force you are not a Buddha. Not even >>>the urge of brushing your teeth. >>> >>>Ramana Maharishi sat motionless for nearly 1.5 years. He was shifted >>>by people surrounded and people who were wondering about him. He will >>>not even take food kept in front of him, someone had to pour some milk >>>in his mouth by force. It was by his devotees’ effort he lived up to >>>72 years. But himself he did not desired to continue his bodily life. >>> >>>Again even in Ramana’s life there were incidents of thieves attacking >>>him, but again it is due to Karma, so even Sri.Ramana is not spared >>>from Karma. So Karma is real and free will is illusion. >>> >>>Best wishes >>>Suresh >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Thanks and best regards >>>J.Suresh >>>New No.3, Old No.7, >>>Chamiers road - 1st Lane, >>>Alwarpet, >>>Chennai - 600018 >>>Ph: 044 42030947 >>>Mobile: 91 9884071738 >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------ >>> >>>Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are >>>reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
