thank you for the clarification..merle Merle,
About 20 years! I could kill you by accident, self-defence etc., but as there was no illegal intent then it isn`t murder. Mike --- On Sat, 12/1/13, Merle Lester <[email protected]> wrote: >From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Zen] a light heart >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Date: Saturday, 12 January, 2013, 15:03 > > > > > >mike...what is the difference?..merle > >Merle, > > >I`m ex-armed forces. But even if I was - there`s a difference between killing >and murder. > > >Mike > >--- On Sat, 12/1/13, Merle Lester <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> >>Subject: [Zen] a light heart >>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>Date: Saturday, 12 January, 2013, 8:06 >> >> >> >> >> >> hi mike...aren't you in the armed forces?...is there not times when one is >>faced with the "enemy" and must kill in order to survive? >> yes a i agree with you...a life with a light heart is a beautiful >>expression...merle >> >>Hi Merle, >> >> >>It does look counter-intuitive, but we all have to die sometime. Better to >>have lived well up to the point of death (no matter how premature or cruel >>the manner in which it comes), than to go thru life knowing that you have >>committed the act of murder. I know I want to meet my end having enjoyed life >>with a light heart. Imagine going thru life (and your death) with all the >>baggage that would come with having murdered someone. >> >> >>Mike >> >>--- On Tue, 8/1/13, Merle Lester <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> >>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Karma is real and free will is illusion. >>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>Date: Tuesday, 8 January, 2013, 18:13 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> mike >>> >>> >>> just curious...how does that sit well with your career... better to be a >>>victim of a murder?..merle >>> >>> >>> >>>Suresh, >>> >>> >>>I think there`s a big difference between Buddhism and Christianity. Morality >>>in the latter is more concerned with our actions on others than it is in >>>Buddhism, which is much more concerned with our actions as they affect >>>ourselves. For example, in Buddhism it is much better for us to be the >>>victim of a murder than it is to be the murderer. The cost of being spat on >>>pales to the cost of the person who did the spitting. >>> >>> >>>My idea of karma/causation is in agreement with Buddha`s when he said that >>>if you do this this will follow. If you don`t do this then that won`t >>>follow. In other words, it all comes back down to what makes us suffer. >>> >>> >>>Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>--- On Mon, 7/1/13, SURESH JAGADEESAN <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>From: SURESH JAGADEESAN <[email protected]> >>>>Subject: [Zen] Karma is real and free will is illusion. >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Date: Monday, 7 January, 2013, 21:30 >>>> >>>> >>>>Dear Joe, >>>> >>>>I agree to your argument to some extent, but still I have doubts. >>>> >>>>Joe: In the awakened state, karma and free will are moot, and do not >>>>operate. Yet, if we slide backward from the awakened state, and fall >>>>into delusion even a bit, karma (our previous conditioning, >>>>mind-habits, and the past and future results of these) will again >>>>influence us, and we will find that our behavior is not in accord with >>>>the Precepts any longer. - One must still practice in order to remain >>>>awake. >>>> >>>>Suresh: Buddha himself states that Siddhartha was died long time back >>>>and no one had noticed it. It means in the moment of awakening to >>>>Buddhahood, the Siddhartha died, again it means his mind is totally >>>>died and never to born. In your statement you state that the awakened >>>>one can fall back if he doesn’t practice. If one can fall back means >>>>he is not an enlightened one. A Buddha cannot fall back. >>>> >>>>Ramana Maharishi states that a guru is person who continuously abides >>>>in self, no one and no situation can change his state of being one >>>>with self. >>>> >>>>It looks like you are talking about your state; you seem deluded in >>>>your misunderstanding of Buddhahood. You are not open. You are glued >>>>to zen and feel superior over others in this forum since you have long >>>>practice of zen. This long practice itself seems hindrance to be fully >>>>awakened as Buddha. It is the problem of following something. >>>>J.Krishnamurti states that divine is pathless land. >>>> >>>>So my dear Joe, please be alert from your zen practice. >>>> >>>>Joe: But, now, free will is not "real", as karma is not "real". >>>> >>>>Suresh: Please note free will is not real. But’ karma’ is real. Karma >>>>is real as long as you consider yourself as body. Even if you see >>>>yourself as pure consciousness / self / Buddhahood, the body born to >>>>be you will follow karma until its destruction. >>>> >>>>Hence Buddha also not exempted from karma. And hence once in Buddha >>>>life, a person came and spitted on his face. This action to his body, >>>>he himself states that it is due to his past karma. So even a Buddha >>>>is not spared from karma. So Karma is real. >>>> >>>>Since Karma is real, there is no ‘free will’. All our actions are >>>>influenced, if you consciously watch your actions you will know. As >>>>long as you are influenced by any force you are not a Buddha. Not even >>>>the urge of brushing your teeth. >>>> >>>>Ramana Maharishi sat motionless for nearly 1.5 years. He was shifted >>>>by people surrounded and people who were wondering about him. He will >>>>not even take food kept in front of him, someone had to pour some milk >>>>in his mouth by force. It was by his devotees’ effort he lived up to >>>>72 years. But himself he did not desired to continue his bodily life. >>>> >>>>Again even in Ramana’s life there were incidents of thieves attacking >>>>him, but again it is due to Karma, so even Sri.Ramana is not spared >>>>from Karma. So Karma is real and free will is illusion. >>>> >>>>Best wishes >>>>Suresh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Thanks and best regards >>>>J.Suresh >>>>New No.3, Old No.7, >>>>Chamiers road - 1st Lane, >>>>Alwarpet, >>>>Chennai - 600018 >>>>Ph: 044 42030947 >>>>Mobile: 91 9884071738 >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------ >>>> >>>>Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are >>>>reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
