I see no reason why the term war criminal has any validity in a zen discussion 
group. Being that there is only a stream of thought and action pouring through 
one and/or all, then there is no responsibility. Everything is, as it should 
be. Also: grieve not for the alive nor the dead....


--- In [email protected], "iain"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> You might find the research paper below interesting Suresh.
> 
> Already several seconds before we consciously make a decision its outcome can 
> be predicted from unconscious activity in the brain. This is shown in a study 
> by scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain 
> Sciences in Leipzig, in collaboration with the Charité University Hospital 
> and the Bernstein Center for Computational Neuroscience in Berlin.
> 
> http://www.mpg.de/567905/pressRelease20080414
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN  wrote:
> >
> > Dear Merle,
> > 
> > Please note yesterday it was revealed to me that, the form (any form)
> > is bound by action and reaction. Formless(space) is free. Just take
> > example of heavenly bodies they are bound by a law which was
> > discovered by Newton. That is all bodies move in a straight direction
> > unless or until it was intervene by other object. Since there are
> > innumerable bodies, they bound to come across close to other body when
> > their nature of being moving in one direction. So there bound to be
> > interaction between bodies, and the result will be as per law of
> > forces. Suppose on a moving body which is moving in the direction of
> > east I apply one force from north direction, it will move south east.
> > If I apply force from two different directions, then it will move in
> > resultant direction.
> > 
> > Suppose I apply force in multiple directions which way the body will
> > move? Definitely it will move resultant of all force directions.
> > 
> > The same rule applicable to human bodies also. Even in the discussions
> > in this forum, please note for example Merle will be having certain
> > view on life and she is moving in that direction, then Joe comes and
> > tells her something and then Mike tells something, then I come and
> > tell something. Then certainly some changes happen in Merle. Her mind
> > will be thinking resultant of all these discussion forces. Then her
> > body reacts based on her mental thinking, similarly with everyone. So
> > Mind is a field in which all these forces take place and body is just
> > obedient servant of mind will follow what mind says.
> > 
> > Mind actions are based on various forces acted upon it. But for those
> > force who is responsible? Why I should join this forum? And discuss
> > like this with you, so that your thinking changes. It means in me some
> > one applied some force so I joined this forum. So my actions are not
> > mine alone, it is the resultant of all forces (influences) of the
> > environment in which this body is in. I am a life energy having taken
> > this body, which is again due to past actions moving in an environment
> > subjected to all kind of forces some actions are performed by this
> > body, which again influences some other body-mind.
> > 
> > So in your argument you state War Criminals, whom are you
> > representing, the one who initiated the war or one who perform war?
> > The one who initiated also bound by forces of environment just like
> > you. Your environment was different, and hence you follow zen and be
> > peaceful, their environment was different and hence they initiated the
> > war. They know not what they are doing (Jesus). Similarly the one who
> > perform war are bound by environment. The performer is really innocent
> > he was doing his duties as ordered by his seniors/boss. Hence
> > performer don't have guilty and live happily.
> > 
> > So there are no individual actions. All actions are resultant of
> > forces. And you are the field of awareness in which all action takes
> > place, which you can only see. It is like watching movie and feels
> > like hero or heroine and enjoys or suffers as like them.
> > 
> > In fact you are an observer and no such actions of hero or heroine
> > bound by you, but still you suffer or enjoy. Can you change the scenes
> > of a movie? NO. It was already directed by somebody. It is the same,
> > this whole cosmic is directed by someone, you are only to watch.
> > 
> > In truth the watcher is the director and he only created all these
> > objects. That realization comes later once you know you are pure
> > consciousness and not this body, which you possess.
> > 
> > Best regards
> > Suresh
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Thanks and best regards
> > J.Suresh
> > New No.3, Old No.7,
> > Chamiers road - 1st Lane,
> > Alwarpet,
> > Chennai - 600018
> > Ph: 044 42030947
> > Mobile: 91 9884071738
> >
>




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