no head..interesting..our ancestors from the murky pond of life had no head?..merle
Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone ________________________________ From: uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk>; To: edgaro...@att.net <edgaro...@att.net>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ... Sent: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 1:06:18 AM Edgar, Actually, that was a line from Campbell's "On Having No Head" that I should have put in quotation marks. You should give it a read so as to understand what our true nature is (buddha Nature) and what Bodhidharma meant by 'pointing to the heart of man'. You can guarantee it's a good book because the word 'ontological' doesn't appear once. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone ________________________________ From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>; To: <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ... Sent: Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:35:33 PM Mike, They both always existed and still exist.... If you've lost your head, I suggest you try to find it. Perhaps your thoughts will become clearer! :-) Edgar On Feb 21, 2013, at 12:00 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Edgar, > >Lose your head and gain the universe. > >Mike > > >Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone > > > >________________________________ > From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>; >To: <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>; >Subject: Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ... >Sent: Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:38:23 AM > > > >Bill, > > >Wrong! All beings and in fact everything that exists 'has Buddha Nature' >because Buddha Nature (tao or ontological energy) is what everything in the >universe is made out of... It is THE ONLY substance of reality because it is >being or existence itself. > > >Edgar > > > > > > >On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Bill! wrote: > > >>Siska, >> >>The premise is 'all SENTIENT beings have Buddha Nature', not just 'all >>beings'. 'Sentient' is very important because it is that quality that is >>Buddha Nature. >> >>How about I go to an outside source to address the uneasiness you've >>expressed in resolving how all have Buddha Nature but only some are aware of >>it? >> >>The Parable of the Hidden Gem >> >>"There once lived a poor man who used to drink too much. On one occasion, he >>visited a wealthy friend, who offered him cup after cup of wine. He enjoyed >>himself and drank so much that finally he fell sound asleep. His friend had >>to leave on business. He knew that his poor companion generally lost his wits >>when drinking, but he felt sorry for him and wanted to help him in some way. >>So before leaving, he fastened a priceless gem to the garment of the poor man >>as a gift. Then he departed, certain that his poor friend would be delighted >>when he awoke and discovered his new wealth. >> >>But things did not work out as the rich friend had planned. The drunken man >>finally awoke, but he did not notice the gem which was sewn into his garment. >>He got bleary-eyed and went out, believing he possessed no more than a >>headache. He had no home nor steady work to go to, so he wandered about from >>one place to another for many years, living a miserable existence. >> >>One day he ran into his old friend. The friend was shocked by his wretched >>appearance. "What's wrong with you?" he asked. "I left a priceless gem sewn >>in your garment that last evening we were together. I expected you to sell >>it, invest the money in some business, and get on your feet at last. Why >>didn't you do so?" >> >>The poor man was bewildered. "Gem?" he asked. "What gem?" He felt along the >>lining of his garment, and was astonished to find a precious stone attached >>to it. He had been a wealthy man all this time without realizing it." >> >>- Lotus Sutra, Chapter 8 >> >>This parable is an analogy of how a sentient being can have Buddha Nature but >>not be aware of it. >> >>...Bill! >> >>--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, siska_cen@... wrote: >>> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> What is the fundamental importance of the premise "All beings have Buddha >>> Nature" if one is not aware of it? >>> >>> There is Buddha Nature, but some people are aware of it and some don't. So, >>> what does this 'embedded' Buddha Nature implies? >>> >>> It doesn't feel right, feels like duality also, but I don't know how to >>> describe it more clearly. >>> >>> >>> Siska >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Bill!" >>> Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >>> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:31:42 >>> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> >>> Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ... >>> >>> Siska, >>> >>> In case Edgar is having a 'zen moment' and fails to respond I, as >>> co-moderator, will cover this one. >>> >>> IMO... >>> >>> - All sentient beings have Buddha Nature. >>> - The oft abused term 'enlightenment' means you are aware of Buddha Nature >>> to some degree or other >>> >>> So...an 'unenlightened being' would be either a being that is not sentient >>> or a sentient being who is not aware of Buddha Nature. >>> >>> ...Bill! >>> >>> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, siska_cen@ wrote: >>> > >>> > Edgar, >>> > >>> > If I remember correctly, you were the one who told me, when I first >>> > joined this group to learn more about Zen, that all beings have Buddha >>> > nature, already enlightened in the first place. >>> > >>> > Now you are saying there are unenlightened beings.... >>> > >>> > I don't get it.... >>> > >>> > Siska >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Edgar Owen >>> > Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >>> > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:10:28 >>> > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> >>> > Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >>> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ... >>> > >>> > Siska, >>> > >>> > Because they ruined the perfect naturally produced forms of the stones by >>> > cementing them all together in a mindless unenlightened mish mash. Did >>> > you see Merle's photo? >>> > >>> > Of course in the deepest sense everything is reality therefore everything >>> > is Zen, but this artificial concoction is the reality of illusion, >>> > produced by illusion, by unenlightened beings, and thus is Zen only when >>> > seen as NOT being zen! >>> > >>> > Edgar >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Feb 19, 2013, at 10:25 AM, siska_cen@ wrote: >>> > >>> > > Doesn't Zen include everything, including the so called act of dumb >>> > > Chinese? Why is this one Zenless? >>> > > >>> > > Siska >>> > > >>> > > From: Edgar Owen >>> > > Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >>> > > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:49:00 -0500 >>> > > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> >>> > > ReplyTo: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >>> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ... >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Here is where Zenless dumb Chinese absolutely ruin the beautiful >>> > > natural shapes of these stones by pasting them together in a hodge >>> > > podge.... >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Edgar >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Feb 14, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Merle Lester wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> IMG_6116 >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> >> >> >
