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are you fearful of the serpent? wallabies, bush rats, possums, mice... a python or two... spiders, lizards, a variety of bird life... your choice..no there is no choice the serpent snake... google australian aboriginal serpent rainbow snake.. you might be pleasantly surprised merle Merle, For GOD'S sake, not the snake! Certainly not the SERPENT snake! (Is there any other kind?) Do you have any fuzzy wallabies or something cuddly like that? I'd rather you flog me with one of those than let loose the SERPENT snake! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  that is your take bill... your take of a stunned mullet..it is not > necessarily the whole truth or truth for that matter!...i'll send you my > serpent snake if you don't clear your over zealous  mind..merle >  > Mike, > > I agree with you about the sunset. If you 'loose your self' while > experiencing the sunset then there is no you separate from the sunset and it > is holistic. That's Buddha Nature. > > I think I'd have to disagree with you about the stunned mullet. A stunned > mullet is a lot closer to realizing Buddha Nature than a rationalist. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "mike" <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > > Bill!, > > > > Ok, sounds reasonable ; ) > > > > Just out of interest tho, I think you can still enjoy a beautiful sunset > > without the mental chatter you alluded to. Same as awe. It's just a part of > > the holistic framework you mentioned. Beng a stunned mullet isn't > > 'experiencing' Buddha Nature either. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > Good question and the answer is 'no'. > > > > > > Experience does not have to be dualistic (subject/object). It can be > > > holistic, and in fact holistic experience IS Buddha Nature. Dualistic > > > experience (I am experiencing a beautiful sunset)is not pure experience. > > > It's a post-processing of the experience by your discriminating mind - > > > your intellect. It's forced into a dualistic framework and often > > > subjected to judgements and categorizations. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "mike" <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill!, > > > > > > > > Aren't experiences also illusory in the sense that an experience > > > > requires someone to have the experience? > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > > > Right, sort of. > > > > > > > > > > To be a 'rationalist' is to be someone who depends on rationality > > > > > which is clearly illusory. > > > > > > > > > > As someone who practices zen which is based entirely on experience I > > > > > would hope I would be an 'experientialist' - or a 'realist'. > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill!, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd say the concept may be rational, although there is not an > > > > > > empirical demonstration or proof of existence of such a being. > > > > > > > > > > > > We know too that various Doctors of the Church did their darnedest > > > > > > along rational lines, chief among them Augustine. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see anything rational about the concept of God at > > > > > > > all...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
