joe..don't you have to have insight to awaken?... i thought zen was all about instant awakening...?... merle Merle,
Merle asked: "thinking does not come into insight... insight just is.. is that not what you have been "preaching" in this forum joe?... " No. Negative. Negatory. Reason and reasoning, or other movements of mind, are a hindrance and preventative to awakening while one is practicing intensively, as on sesshin. I've said this a number of times in this forum so far, and have agreed with Bill! and I think others in this/on this. At and after awakening, wisdom and compassion arise spontaneously, and simultaneously. I've said this a number of times, too. I never said *anything* about "Insight". I am not an "Insight" meditator, either. But I will say now that "insight" goes only so far, ...and so does one who has insight. The key in our way is to AWAKEN. --Joe > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > yes downright "wicked" of you to assume my origins... > > when you never really knew just took a stab in the dark..and proceeded to > "black and white"..tar and feather me! > > Â "there are more things in heaven and earth"... > black and white thinking doeth lead to absolutes.. > this is so and so it will be .. > no room for movement expansion and growth... > making points, scoring points..seeing things clearly... are they the same > thing?.. > > to be clear in insight tis not black and white thinking... > > thinking does not come into insight... > insight just is.. > is that not what you have been "preaching" in this forum joe?... > > i made my move ...your turn..the chess game goes on...... > > the caravan is stationary for now
