Merle,

O, give it up all, you ego-attached "miserables".

You cannot do it.  Impossible.

That's where practice comes in.

That baggage, and other baggage, can dissolve.  When it dissolves suddenly, you 
come to see in subsequent days and weeks how you can live without all those 
habits and conventions, and just "stay real".  This is the way of Zen practice, 
as it's been handed down for over 1500 years.  There is no substitute for this 
teaching, because nothing else is this teaching.  Why be put off by it, 
especially in a forum devoted to its tradition, and discussion of it?  It is 
the strangest incongruity to see you act so.

I think you're another one who wants to start her own religion, as does Edgar.

How about we let you two fight it out, or agree.  How about somewhere else 
besides here?

--Joe

> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote:
>
> edgar..
> 
> many cling and clutch <snip>



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