Merle, When I reply to a post I read the subject post thoroughly, and when I refer to something someone else wrote I include actual cut-and-paste quotes when convenient. If I interpret something on my own I always note that. At least that's what I intend to do. If you catch me not doing that please bring it to my attention.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > Â bill...are we not all a tiny bit guilty of hearing only what we want to > hear?..thank you for your advice and good vibes..peace be with you..merle > Â > Merle, > > I actually agree with 99% of what Edgar said below with the exception of his > continuing misrepresentation of what I've said in my many previous posts - as > usual. Edgar is a prime example of the line in one of Simon and Garfunkle's > songs THE BOXER, "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." > Anyway, what Edgar refers to as "bring Zen to the world of forms" is > referred to in zen literature as 'skillful means'. > > Remember what I've said before that I learned from the kindly Bodhisattvas > who attend us when we fly, "Put on your own oxygen mask before attempting to > help those around you." > > This is for two reasons: 1) If you aren't settled yourself you can't help > others, 2) If you haven't figured out how to put on your own oxygen mask you > can't as successfully help others. > > I hope you have a pleasant and fruitful encounter with the 'zen dude'. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > Merle, > > > > There is no simple answer. Because to teach other Buddhas in the world to > > realize their own Buddhahood involves dealing with the world of forms, and > > to do that one must study the world of forms which is of course enormously > > complex. This btw is why those who think Zen doesn't involve the rational > > mind to bring Zen into the world of forms are misguided. It's a major > > error... > > > > Example: A martial arts master may embody Zen mind in his engagements but > > no one would be stupid enough to think just sitting will make one a martial > > arts master. That takes long engagement and study of the forms involved. > > Only then can Zen mind activate those forms... > > > > Same with all manner of bringing Zen into the world of forms as is required > > to teach others how to realize their Buddhahood. > > > > However it can be said that realizing the Buddha within yourself and > > letting the Buddha within act through your form is the first step... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:31 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > butting in edgar..how do you go about doing this oh please teach..merle > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > It is not just a matter of people practicing and doing everything > > > themselves, but of actively teaching all the Buddhas one meets to better > > > recognize and manifest their Buddhahood... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:39 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> Merle, > > >> > > >> Buddha rules nothing out. In fact, everything is included, by default. > > >> > > >> But he/she is *powerless* to turn peoples' heads around if they do not > > >> practice. It's a simple matter. Just not a matter of comprehending. > > >> Transformation is not a matter of "OK", and "alright", and "got it". > > >> > > >> The old song says "Waking up is HARD to do." ;-) > > >> > > >> But I say, in good rhyming fashion: "Just begin, and CON-TIN-UE." > > >> > > >> ...and I have good company, saying that. They know who they are. > > >> > > >> --Joe > > >> > > >> > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > so edgar..with all the atrocities being committed on this planet as i > > >> > type..is buddha there too?..merle > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
