So when we look a a chair we see "Chair" with all of the baggage that we've accumulated with regards to chairness. In truth there is no chair. There is an object in space that someone could hit you with but the concepts, memories and words are all illusory. There's just this...thingness.
________________________________ From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, April 18, 2013 12:36:18 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Hello William, Well to start with it's simply the way the senses and the brain work. Actually reality is nothing at all like the model of it our senses and mind constructs. The world that we think we live in is entirely a construct of our individual brains with the exception of it's logical structure which the mind must approximate to a certain degree of accuracy for us to be able to function in reality... Zen is understanding how this works so that one can realize the truth nature of things beyond the mind's model of them.... Edgar On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:38 PM, William Rintala wrote: > > >Is this illusion of the senses akin to Kant's Ding an sich? That we can never >know the objects of our senses but only what our senses perceive. > > > > ________________________________ From: Joe <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Thu, April 18, 2013 11:01:51 AM >Subject: [Zen] Re: Hello > > >Edgar, > >We observe how they work through the senses. Understanding them this way is >perfectly circular. And that is our reality. So, I'd say, don't play it up as >something special. We have what we have and make of it what we will. > >The understanding you build of things like this is a model. It is nothing >better >or closer to reality than that. It is a model. > >The view you express has a technical term, and it is not a put-down. It is an >accurate and polite categorization: "Naive Realism". > >There you have it. Make of "IT" what you will, also. > >Many of us have been there, done that. Especially the Scientists among us. > >--Joe > >> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >> >> Bob, >> >> Of course you are right and Bill is wrong. The senses are illusions. They >> are >>not reality as it actually is. This is abundantly clear to anyone who >>understands how they work... > > > >
