Edgar,

The failure (not fallacy) of your suggested approach is that you care to try to 
know forms from their outside.

We don't!

Want to know an Elephant?  You become one.  

(See? reincarnation in Buddhism is not for no "reason" at all!)

;-)

--Joe

PS  You won't know 'Dumbo' by mapping her ears.  Nor tail.  Etc.  It's "the 
entire presentation of the whole"; not your "one-thing-at-a-time" 
detail-charting that enables intimacy.  Hence the failure of your ill-founded 
advice.  So, no more JIVE, pls.

> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
> 
> Grow up! The nature of the elephant includes its wrinkles and everything 
> else....
> 
> All forms are manifestations of Buddha Nature true, but they are still 
> enormously complex forms. The nature of the elephant includes its wrinkles, 
> its DNA, its behavior and everything else....
> 
> You are still espousing comic book zen... 
> 
> Mountains are mountains again Joe. Elephants are elephants again.....
> 
> By denying the world of forms that supports your being you only tell us you 
> feel incompetent within it....




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