Edgar,
When I sit, I sit in the world of forms. Granted, I stay with my method of
meditation. Except when I don't. And then I come back to it. This is
Practice, and keeping and putting-in-a-foundation. It's not to be neglected,
and neither has it ever been deprecated by the Old Masters, nor even our quite
young, recent, master teachers.
To my mind, Zazen is the indispensable 1/13th part of Zen practice.
We all know too how little Bill! needs to sit, because he revealed it here.
Howdy!, and kudos, Bill!(!).
So, Edgar: Start a point, please, because ...so far you have none.
--Joe
PS If you were ever really one of their students, you'd have done more than
*hear* about sitting from those traditional Zen masters you don't name. And
you would definitely have heard about it, and not "almost never". Neither
Dogen nor Hongzi mentioned it? Well, it's in their writings: As
contemporaries, they were both 13th Century C.E. figures; their vocalizations
have faded.
> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Joe and Bill,
>
> It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of the
> traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is almost always the
> result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and consists of seeing the true
> nature of the world of forms.
>
> You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the exclusive
> emphasis you put on sitting....
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