Joe, Edgar and Everyone,

I sit (zazen) almost every day.  I actually intend to sit every day but some 
days that schedule is interrupted.  When I sit it is usually in the morning 
shortly after I wake and take a shower but BEFORE breakfast or any stimulants 
like a cup of tea.  When I sit I sit for 20 minutes and then get up and walk 
around about 5 minutes to stretch my legs.  I like to repeat this two more 
times for a total of 3 sessions of sitting.  Sometimes I substitute bowing or 
chanting for sitting or for one of the sessions.  Sometimes I only sit 1 or 2 
sessions, and sometimes like I said not at all.

What are your practices vis-a-vis zazen or some other form of meditation?

...Bill!

--- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
>
> Edgar,
> 
> When I sit, I sit in the world of forms.  Granted, I stay with my method of 
> meditation.  Except when I don't.  And then I come back to it.  This is 
> Practice, and keeping and putting-in-a-foundation.  It's not to be neglected, 
> and neither has it ever been deprecated by the Old Masters, nor even our 
> quite young, recent, master teachers.
> 
> To my mind, Zazen is the indispensable 1/13th part of Zen practice.
> 
> We all know too how little Bill! needs to sit, because he revealed it here.  
> Howdy!, and kudos, Bill!(!).
> 
> So, Edgar: Start a point, please, because ...so far you have none.
> 
> --Joe
> 
> PS  If you were ever really one of their students, you'd have done more than 
> *hear* about sitting from those traditional Zen masters you don't name.  And 
> you would definitely have heard about it, and not "almost never".  Neither 
> Dogen nor Hongzi mentioned it?  Well, it's in their writings: As 
> contemporaries, they were both 13th Century C.E. figures; their vocalizations 
> have faded.
> 
> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> >
> > Joe and Bill,
> > 
> > It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of the 
> > traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is almost always the 
> > result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and consists of seeing the true 
> > nature of the world of forms.
> > 
> > You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the 
> > exclusive emphasis you put on sitting....
>




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