Exactly!
--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote:
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> Â yes bill...pay attention..attention attention...as in "the island" aldous
> huxley.. attention attention attention... ... merle
> Â
> Bill!,
>
> I copied and posted that page for Merle to acquaint herself to Buddhist
> thought on essence and emptiness. I got it from:
> thebigview.com/buddhism/emptiness
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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> ________________________________
> From: Bill! <BillSmart@...>;
> To: <[email protected]>;
> Subject: Re: [Zen] the strawberry myth
> Sent: Sat, May 18, 2013 5:03:06 AM
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> Â
> Merle,
>
> Thanks for this. I liked it and actually think I have read it somewhere
> before. If you copied this from somewhere could you tell us the source?
>
> Also please note that in the last paragraph and as part of summing up this
> text states: "Only if all these conditions exist simultaneously does the mind
> impute cupness to the object."
>
> 'Impute' is an important word here. 'Impute' means "to attribute or ascribe"
> - Dictionary.com
>
> This means the mind CREATES the concept of "cupness" and then imparts that
> upon the cup. This is also called 'perception'. It's important to
> distinguish this from an alternate explanation that the cup itself possesses
> "cupness" independently of our mind and 'transmits' it to our mind, or our
> mind 'discovers' or 'recognizes' this "cupness". That would be the model
> used to validate an independently existing 'world of forms' that exists 'out
> there' and that we just 'discover' when we perceive.
>
> We don't 'discover' form, order and physical laws; we 'create' and 'impute'
> them.
>
> ...Bill!
>
> --- In [email protected], uerusuboyo@ wrote:
> >
> > Merle,<br/><br/>I copied this for you. It's regarding things having
> > "essence":<br/><br/>What is emptiness then? To understand the philosophical
> > meaning of this term, let's look at a simple solid object, such as a cup.
> > How is a cup empty? We usually say that a cup is empty if it does not
> > contain any liquid or solid. This is the ordinary meaning of emptiness.
> > But, is the cup really empty? A cup empty of liquids or solids is still
> > full of air. To be precise, we must therefore state what the cup is empty
> > of. Can a cup be empty of all substance? A cup in a vacuum does not contain
> > any air, but it still contains space, light, radiation, as well as its own
> > substance. Hence, from a physical point of view, the cup is always full of
> > something. Yet, from the Buddhist point of view, the cup is always empty.
> > The Buddhist understanding of emptiness is different from the physical
> > meaning. The cup being empty means that it
> is devoid of inherent existence.<br/><br/>What
> > is meant with non-inherent existence? Is this to say that the cup does not
> > ultimately exist? - Not quite. - The cup exists, but like everything in
> > this world, its existence depends on other phenomena. There is nothing in a
> > cup that is inherent to that specific cup or to cups in general. Properties
> > such as being hollow, spherical, cylindrical, or leak-proof are not
> > intrinsic to cups. Other objects which are not cups have similar
> > properties, as for example vases and glasses. The cup's properties and
> > components are neither cups themselves nor do they imply cupness on their
> > own. The material is not the cup. The shape is not the cup. The function is
> > not the cup. Only all these aspects together make up the cup. Hence, we can
> > say that for an object to be a cup we require a collection of specific
> > conditions to exist. It depends on the combination of function, use, shape,
> > base material, and the cup's other aspects. Only if all these conditions
> exist
> > simultaneously does the mind impute cupness to the object. If one
> > condition ceases to exist, for instance, if the cup's shape is altered by
> > breaking it, the cup forfeits some or all of its cupness, because the
> > object's function, its shape, as well as the imputation of cupness through
> > perception is disrupted. The cup's existence thus depends on external
> > circumstances. Its physical essence remains elusive.<br/><br/>Sent from
> > Yahoo! Mail for iPad
> >
>
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