Mike,

My God! If I had written this everyone (including YOU) would be pounding me for 
being too rational!
:-)

Edgar



On May 18, 2013, at 12:25 AM, [email protected] wrote:

> Merle,
> 
> I copied this for you. It's regarding things having "essence":
> 
> What is emptiness then? To understand the philosophical meaning of this term, 
> let's look at a simple solid object, such as a cup. How is a cup empty? We 
> usually say that a cup is empty if it does not contain any liquid or solid. 
> This is the ordinary meaning of emptiness. But, is the cup really empty? A 
> cup empty of liquids or solids is still full of air. To be precise, we must 
> therefore state what the cup is empty of. Can a cup be empty of all 
> substance? A cup in a vacuum does not contain any air, but it still contains 
> space, light, radiation, as well as its own substance. Hence, from a physical 
> point of view, the cup is always full of something. Yet, from the Buddhist 
> point of view, the cup is always empty. The Buddhist understanding of 
> emptiness is different from the physical meaning. The cup being empty means 
> that it is devoid of inherent existence.
> 
> What is meant with non-inherent existence? Is this to say that the cup does 
> not ultimately exist? - Not quite. - The cup exists, but like everything in 
> this world, its existence depends on other phenomena. There is nothing in a 
> cup that is inherent to that specific cup or to cups in general. Properties 
> such as being hollow, spherical, cylindrical, or leak-proof are not intrinsic 
> to cups. Other objects which are not cups have similar properties, as for 
> example vases and glasses. The cup's properties and components are neither 
> cups themselves nor do they imply cupness on their own. The material is not 
> the cup. The shape is not the cup. The function is not the cup. Only all 
> these aspects together make up the cup. Hence, we can say that for an object 
> to be a cup we require a collection of specific conditions to exist. It 
> depends on the combination of function, use, shape, base material, and the 
> cup's other aspects. Only if all these conditions exist simultaneously does 
> the mind impute cupness to the object. If one condition ceases to exist, for 
> instance, if the cup's shape is altered by breaking it, the cup forfeits some 
> or all of its cupness, because the object's function, its shape, as well as 
> the imputation of cupness through perception is disrupted. The cup's 
> existence thus depends on external circumstances. Its physical essence 
> remains elusive.
> 
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> 
> From: Merle Lester <[email protected]>; 
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; 
> Subject: [Zen] the strawberry myth 
> Sent: Sat, May 18, 2013 3:46:59 AM 
> 
>  
> 
>  group....
> the thing about a strawberry ..
>  a quality strawberry..it is suppose to be sweet...
> that is what we expect from a strawberry...
> the very essence of it is it's sweetness.. 
> a sour one well apart from the fact it puts us off eating it and it is a 
> product that will not sell well in the markets... 
> get real..
> would you want to eat sour strawberries for desert?..
> for christ sake..
> sour strawberries will put you off eating them for life... 
> 
> it's not all about judgement
> 
>  it's about accepting the reality that the sour strawberry does not contain 
> the essence of what it is to be a strawberry..
> 
> that's not rocket science..
> and requires no more that a nod and a shake of the head  then spit it out..
> end of story..
> let's not read into this strawberry caper..
> create a myth and make it something to be set in stone for ever more ... 
> 
> amen..
> merle
>  
> Merle
> www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1
> 
> 

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