Siska, I know what you mean, but 'face-to-face' is commonly use in zen to mean 'one with', or 'not separate from'. For example many times when someone has experienced Buddha Nature they will be reported as saying, "I have met Bodhidharma face-to-face and he has not lied" - meaning he has experienced Buddha Nature and it is as Bodhidharma (or some other zen master) has described.
The problem we always have trying to describe a holistic experience is that we have to use a dualistic language to do so. That's why many ancient zen masters used non-verbal responses instead of trying to rationally explain what they experienced. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], siska_cen@... wrote: > > Hi again Bill, > > In regards to the duality of no experiencer to the experiences you just > discussed with Mike, would you fully agree with Zuli's term 'face to face > with the real Buddha'? > > Siska > -----Original Message----- > From: "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 09:12:44 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: [Zen] Zuli Agrees With Bill! > > > I don't know who Zuli is but that doesn't matter to me. Right's right. > ..Bill! > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
