Edgar, Your reference to me in the last sentence below is a good example of what I was talking about when I said you at best misinterpret and more likely purposefully misrepresent what I say.
I have always said the self (Rinpoche's term 'ego') is illusory and is the 'anchor' for all attachments which cause suffering. Why do you insinuate I do not understand that? ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Mike, and Bill, > > Rinpoche's use of the word ego correctly describes Bill's incredibly egoistic > belief that the world of forms is a creation of his personal mind, of Bill's > solipsism... > > Bill needs to understand what Rinpoche is saying here... > > Edgar > > > > On May 21, 2013, at 9:06 PM, uerusuboyo@... wrote: > > > Merle, > > > > The only thing the Freudian concept of 'ego' shares with the Buddhist > > concept of the same is the name. They're quite different concepts. Check > > this out from www.luminousbuddha.com: > > > > "The Latin term ego was first used in a translation of Freud's work to > > refer to his idea of the "I" or the reality principle within the dynamic > > forces of the psyche. He suggests the functions of the "I" include > > reasoning, a sense of self-capacity and the mediator between the polarized > > demands of instinctual drives and societal expectations. While he > > considered the "I" a mechanism of the self, he did not use the term ego. > > Nevertheless the word ego entered the mainstream in professional > > conversations of the analytic understanding of the human being as it began > > with Freud's thought. > > > > As psychology became popularized the word ego entered the common vernacular > > to describe attitudes and behaviors considered selfish or inflated. The > > slang use of ego is generally a derogatory term for behaviors considered > > out of the range of social acceptance. Slang borrows from the inflated side > > of the psychodynamic description of the unhealthy manifestations of ego yet > > lacks a deeper understanding of its causes. > > > > In the 1970's Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, a Tibetan lama, began utilizing the > > term ego to describe a neurotic process based on the ignorance of our > > actual situation (Trungpa, 1978) resulting in a solidified sense of self > > that is separate and self-referential and as such is the cause of > > suffering. He saw the projections of the ego as an incorrect understanding > > of the interdependent nature of reality and the primary obstruction to > > clear seeing and compassion. He borrowed aspects of the term from both > > psychology and modern vernacular usage. > > > > Buddhists around the world have embraced this usage of the term ego and use > > it regularly to describe the common illusion of a static separate self that > > emphasizes it's self-importance in relation to the world. This Buddhist > > definition can now be understood as a unique understanding of the word ego > > as well. The field of transpersonal psychology has borrowed from the > > Buddhist usage of the term ego in the psychological and spiritual mapping > > of human development. > > > > The confusion that has arisen from the different usages of the term ego is > > significant to those in the field of psychology as well as Buddhist > > practitioners who have an incomplete understanding of the word in its > > several contexts. The general public would also benefit from a further > > understanding of the factors relating to the formation of an aggrandized > > sense of self to which the slang usage of ego refers." > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...>; > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Id, ego and super-ego - keeping the mind in balance > > Sent: Wed, May 22, 2013 12:33:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > joe... > > > > no i do not disagree however you are sweeping his work away with a very > > large brush.. > > > > and labelling him judging him to be unfit.. > > > > can you point to me where freud deviates from the "self "of buddhadharma > > > > merle > > > > > > Merle, > > > > Huh? No, Dr. Freud first used the word "ego"; I think he scrounged it from > > the Latin, to fill in for something in his model of the small mind as he > > studied neurotic Jewish ladies in his neighborhood who came to him for what > > he called "analysis". > > > > Freud had it right for himself and his theories; but the buck stops THERE. > > > > It's of no value in Buddhadharma. "Self" has always been the operative > > word, there. So far so good. Do you disagree somehow? > > > > --Joe > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > joe.. > > > > > > can you direct me to some relevant web info on this... > > > so are you saying that dr. freud got it all wrong? > > > are we not all buddhas and demons and mixtures of both? > > > so why are you suggesting dr. Freud is a demon and a fraud? > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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