Edgar, If when you wrote, "Bill needs to understand what Rinpoche is saying here..." you were not referring to what Rinpoche was saying here, to what were you referring?
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > Well you obviously do not understand what I said because you are referring to > something else... > > Edgar > > > On May 22, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > Your reference to me in the last sentence below is a good example of what I > > was talking about when I said you at best misinterpret and more likely > > purposefully misrepresent what I say. > > > > I have always said the self (Rinpoche's term 'ego') is illusory and is the > > 'anchor' for all attachments which cause suffering. > > > > Why do you insinuate I do not understand that? > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Mike, and Bill, > > > > > > Rinpoche's use of the word ego correctly describes Bill's incredibly > > > egoistic belief that the world of forms is a creation of his personal > > > mind, of Bill's solipsism... > > > > > > Bill needs to understand what Rinpoche is saying here... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 2013, at 9:06 PM, uerusuboyo@ wrote: > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > The only thing the Freudian concept of 'ego' shares with the Buddhist > > > > concept of the same is the name. They're quite different concepts. > > > > Check this out from www.luminousbuddha.com: > > > > > > > > "The Latin term ego was first used in a translation of Freud's work to > > > > refer to his idea of the "I" or the reality principle within the > > > > dynamic forces of the psyche. He suggests the functions of the "I" > > > > include reasoning, a sense of self-capacity and the mediator between > > > > the polarized demands of instinctual drives and societal expectations. > > > > While he considered the "I" a mechanism of the self, he did not use the > > > > term ego. Nevertheless the word ego entered the mainstream in > > > > professional conversations of the analytic understanding of the human > > > > being as it began with Freud's thought. > > > > > > > > As psychology became popularized the word ego entered the common > > > > vernacular to describe attitudes and behaviors considered selfish or > > > > inflated. The slang use of ego is generally a derogatory term for > > > > behaviors considered out of the range of social acceptance. Slang > > > > borrows from the inflated side of the psychodynamic description of the > > > > unhealthy manifestations of ego yet lacks a deeper understanding of its > > > > causes. > > > > > > > > In the 1970's Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, a Tibetan lama, began utilizing > > > > the term ego to describe a neurotic process based on the ignorance of > > > > our actual situation (Trungpa, 1978) resulting in a solidified sense of > > > > self that is separate and self-referential and as such is the cause of > > > > suffering. He saw the projections of the ego as an incorrect > > > > understanding of the interdependent nature of reality and the primary > > > > obstruction to clear seeing and compassion. He borrowed aspects of the > > > > term from both psychology and modern vernacular usage. > > > > > > > > Buddhists around the world have embraced this usage of the term ego and > > > > use it regularly to describe the common illusion of a static separate > > > > self that emphasizes it's self-importance in relation to the world. > > > > This Buddhist definition can now be understood as a unique > > > > understanding of the word ego as well. The field of transpersonal > > > > psychology has borrowed from the Buddhist usage of the term ego in the > > > > psychological and spiritual mapping of human development. > > > > > > > > The confusion that has arisen from the different usages of the term ego > > > > is significant to those in the field of psychology as well as Buddhist > > > > practitioners who have an incomplete understanding of the word in its > > > > several contexts. The general public would also benefit from a further > > > > understanding of the factors relating to the formation of an > > > > aggrandized sense of self to which the slang usage of ego refers." > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > > > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@>; > > > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Id, ego and super-ego - keeping the mind in > > > > balance > > > > Sent: Wed, May 22, 2013 12:33:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joe... > > > > > > > > no i do not disagree however you are sweeping his work away with a very > > > > large brush.. > > > > > > > > and labelling him judging him to be unfit.. > > > > > > > > can you point to me where freud deviates from the "self "of buddhadharma > > > > > > > > merle > > > > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > Huh? No, Dr. Freud first used the word "ego"; I think he scrounged it > > > > from the Latin, to fill in for something in his model of the small mind > > > > as he studied neurotic Jewish ladies in his neighborhood who came to > > > > him for what he called "analysis". > > > > > > > > Freud had it right for himself and his theories; but the buck stops > > > > THERE. > > > > > > > > It's of no value in Buddhadharma. "Self" has always been the operative > > > > word, there. So far so good. Do you disagree somehow? > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > joe.. > > > > > > > > > > can you direct me to some relevant web info on this... > > > > > so are you saying that dr. freud got it all wrong? > > > > > are we not all buddhas and demons and mixtures of both? > > > > > so why are you suggesting dr. Freud is a demon and a fraud? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
