Edgar, You've outdone yourself this time.
Below you assert that "forms" are part of reality, which although I disagree with I can sympathize with why you think that. But to give "forms" the quality of Buddha Nature is just absurd. It looks to me you've started substituting the term "forms" for "sentient beings". Why would yo do that? "Forms" are just logical structures. I say they are not real, but whether they are real or not they are not sentient. "Forms" do not have Buddha Nature. I am almost speechless, but (unfortunately for you and fortunately for everyone else on the Zen Forum) not quite. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Siska, > > Reality includes everything, thus it includes all forms, including all > organisms. > > The fundamental nature of reality is Buddha Nature. > > Thus all forms are Buddha Nature only... > > Thus when forms become realized they recognize the Buddha Nature in each > other. > > And see that all forms are forms of Buddha Nature only. > > Thus they all become Buddhas recognizing the other Buddhas recognizing them... > > Edgar > > > > On May 21, 2013, at 8:23 PM, siska_cen@... wrote: > > > Hi Edgar, > > > > > Sure there are innumerable forms and every form is a manifestation of > > > Buddha Nature which is the single 'stuff' of reality. > > > > I don't know, I'm not comfortable with this statement, it's like something > > does not fit, but as usual, can't really explain why.... > > > > Maybe it's also just language limitation... > > > > Siska > > > > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 20:59:46 -0400 > > To: <[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Zuli Agrees With Bill! > > > > > > Sure there are innumerable forms and every form is a manifestation of > > Buddha Nature which is the single 'stuff' of reality. > > > > > > (Ignore Joe's and Bill's howling since by their own admission they are > > unable to experience this!) > > :-) > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On May 20, 2013, at 8:36 PM, siska_cen@... wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi Edgar, > >> > >> I've read it so many times before I asked you to rephrase. > >> > >> I read it again just now, and still it's confusing. Why are there so many > >> subjects/objects there, Buddha's eyes, our eyes, all other eyes, all > >> separated as they seem to be looking at each other. > >> > >> No such thing, is there? > >> > >> Siska > >> > >> From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> > >> Sender: [email protected] > >> Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 19:27:15 -0400 > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> ReplyTo: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Zuli Agrees With Bill! > >> > >> > >> Siska, > >> > >> > >> That sentence is as clear as can be. Respectfully could you please try > >> rereading it a few times until it comes through? > >> > >> Edgar > >> > >> > >> > >> On May 20, 2013, at 7:14 PM, siska_cen@... wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Hi Edgar, > >>> > >>> > When Buddha Nature is realized we look out of Buddha's eyes looking at > >>> > Buddha looking back at us through all other eyes.... > >>> > >>> Sorry, I can't really understand what you're trying to say. This sentence > >>> is too confusing for me. Could you please rephrase? > >>> > >>> Siska > >>> > >>> From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> > >>> Sender: [email protected] > >>> Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 07:39:51 -0400 > >>> To: <[email protected]> > >>> ReplyTo: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Zuli Agrees With Bill! > >>> > >>> > >>> Siska, > >>> > >>> > >>> When Buddha Nature is realized we look out of Buddha's eyes looking at > >>> Buddha looking back at us through all other eyes.... > >>> > >>> It's not just a metaphor as Bill would have you believe...... It's REAL! > >>> > >>> Edgar > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On May 19, 2013, at 6:38 AM, siska_cen@... wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi again Bill, > >>>> > >>>> In regards to the duality of no experiencer to the experiences you just > >>>> discussed with Mike, would you fully agree with Zuli's term 'face to > >>>> face with the real Buddha'? > >>>> > >>>> Siska > >>>> > >>>> From: "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> > >>>> Sender: [email protected] > >>>> Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 09:12:44 -0000 > >>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>> ReplyTo: [email protected] > >>>> Subject: [Zen] Zuli Agrees With Bill! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I don't know who Zuli is but that doesn't matter to me. Right's right. > >>>> > >>>> ...Bill! > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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