Merle, You'll find that Edgar tries to wield logic as an offensive weapon, but shies away from using it for defense because there is just no protection there for him.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  i am not discussing sexuality..i'm discussing gender equality... and i did > not say the australian aborigines...your ability to be logical runs into the > totally absurd...learn logic..merle > > >  > Merle, > > LOL! The Bushmen and aborigines you claim you admire so much ROUTINELY hook > up as teens. The aborigines especially are well known for high rates of adult > male - teen girl sex. > > You can't have it both ways Merle. > > Edgar > > > > > On May 26, 2013, at 4:16 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > >  > > > > > > > > > > mike...feminism..how about humanism? > >...yes my options that i thought of at 18: was a nun...how right you are.. > >that or a lady of the red light district.. > >sorry if i am being a bit over the top..didn't mean to... > > ended up a falling in love at 21... and we are still both on the same page > >so to speak 46 years later... > >so i don't understand these relationship things..as well as you might ... .. > > am curious how these days the lassies and lads shop around wait till there > >early 30's and suddenly then they found mr. right or miss right...and > >breed... > >interesting behaviour.. > > was regarded as a weirdo  having the first baby at 29... and as for > >living in sin which i totally approve of..is now..every tom and  helen's > >way of doing things > > things... > >interesting,,mmmm... > > > > > >being at the cutting edge of relationship ideas in 1966... > >and you tell me i"m not a feminist?... > > am above all a humanist first and for most ,,for gender equality men and > >women..even the bushmen of the kalahari desert had that right...and that was > >umpteen years past... > > > > > >don't bullshit mike..we all know the  old withered chap with plenty of > >loot, dyed hair to the max... using viagra... > >living out his youth fantasy with the blonde dolly handbag who loves him for > >his loot.. > > > > > >if ya don't mike what bush have you been living under?.. > > > > > >merle > > > > > >Merle, > > > >Don't know where I last met someone so judgemental and opinionated! I'm 48 > >and mentioning 3 women equates to a "track record"?? What - are you a nun, > >or something? Because my current partner (who is 34) and doesn't want to > >"breed" - she's a "submissive handbag dolly bird"?!! Who'd you learn your > >feminism from - Benny Hill? > > > >Mike > > > >Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...>; > >To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; > >Subject: [Zen] sweet young lassie > >Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 5:21:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > your track record if i might be so bold to say... > > > > > >correct me if i am wrong and your joy that lady 3 does not wish to breed... > > > > > >is it lady 3?.... > > > > > >and you seem to love and agree with edgar's posts on the sweet young lassie > >... merle > > > > > > > > > > > >Merle, > > > >How the hell did you come to that conclusion??? > > > >Mike > > > > > >Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...>; > >To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; > >Subject: Re: [Zen] The desperate Kate > >Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 3:07:13 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > you would mike..cause you too hanker for the young submissive handbag > >dolly bird!!!!!! merle > > > >Edgar, > > > >Haha! Even when you write things I agree with, you make it impossible for me > >to agree with you! > > > >Mike > > > >Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>; > >To: <[email protected]>; > >Subject: Re: [Zen] The desperate Kate > >Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 1:53:16 PM > > > > > > > >Mike, > > > > > >Exactly. Romeo was in his 20's or more and Juliet was 14. Pocahontas was 12 > >or 13 when she took up with John Smith who was what? Late 20's or 30's? The > >horrible ageism that destroys so many lives now days is a modern anomaly > >dating from when women got the vote and used it to criminalize adult male > >sex with young teenage girls they knew were more attractive on average to > >their men. > > > > > >It's all about female jealousy trying to eliminate competition from younger > >more attractive women. It is NOT about protective young teens if it requires > >consent. > > > > > >It was and has been standard practice for teen girls to fall in love and > >marry considerably older men throughout history. It's entirely natural > >because older men are more successful and better able to care for a family, > >and by marrying younger women men are able to ensure more and more healthy > >children on average. > > > > > >It's entirely natural, and it is best for society as a whole because it > >encourages more stable and healthy families, no matter what old jealous > >biddies like Merle say... > > > > > >Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On May 25, 2013, at 8:51 AM, uerusuboyo@... wrote: > > > > > >>Merle, > >> > >>I've 3 kids including a daughter and my youngest son is 15. The problem I > >>see following your argument is that you're trying to put a 60+ year head on > >>a teenager's body. We've all done stupid things when we were kids that we > >>regret and wouldn't dream of doing now as adults. But there's only a > >>potential 2 year age gap between these kids. I think Bill is right. If this > >>was about 2 heterosexual kids there'd be no fuss. Imagine how many schools > >>have such relationships? Also, the age thing is totally arbitrary. Imagine > >>going to Papua New Guinea and complaining about the same age difference > >>between two village members.. > >> > >>Mike > >> > >> > >>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >> From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...>; > >>To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; > >>Subject: Re: [Zen] The desperate Kate > >>Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 12:41:45 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> mike..well come to australia sydney..moderate muslims do speak up!.. > >>i care little for whether kate is a criminal or not,, > >>she knows the law..and she was so desperate with desire she could not > >>wait... > >>it's not the buddhist way... > >>in her own mind  how does she feel... > >>jesus at 15...for christ sake i keep harping on about childhood and > >>innocence.. > >>did you experience the beauty of childhood and innocence..? > >>do you have any kids?..do you understand what i am saying?... > >>we have a lifetime to be adults in an adult world.. > >>childhood and innocence is a fleeting moment... > >>it is very precious... > >>let's not rush ourselves head first all guns firing into adulthood and > >>responsibilities... > >>let's play a little let's have fun..innocent and free... > >>that is why there are the laws to protect the innocent.. > >>do you get it?... > >>merle > >> > >> > >> > >>Merle, > >> > >>An act is illegal if there is a law prohibiting it. If you do that act you > >>have committed a crime. If you're convicted of that crime by a court (which > >>is what Tim is trying to prevent) then you are a 'criminal'. If you approve > >>of that law (and you most certainly appear to), then you will by default be > >>making the 18 year old a criminal. > >> > >>You could well be right about my judging of Islam, but I'm yet to be > >>convinced by your argument, or anyone elses here, that I'm wrong. The > >>evidence supporting my argument can be seen everyday all over the world. > >>I've yet to see moderate Muslims protesting on the street that their > >>religion is being hijacked by evil mean wrongfully killing in the name of > >>their God. > >> > >>Mike > >> > >> > >>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >> From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...>; > >>To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; > >>Subject: Re: [Zen] The desperate Kate > >>Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 12:19:37 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> mike.. > >> > >> > >>did i say they were criminals?..who's judging now?.. > >> > >> > >> don't you think this kinda thing happens on this side of the planet?... > >>sure they may be friends..so how come everybody knows?... eh..keep it > >>quiet..who squealed?... > >>it is illegal in australia...the 15 year old is too young...what happened > >>to innocence?... > >>so kate at 18 is so desperate she can't wait? huh? > >> don't give the shit about it happens regardless and why not?... > >> > >>a rational mind..come on edgar..this is where we use common sense and > >>rational thinking do not let our instincts run away with us... > >> > >> > >> mike this applies to dames and blokes in the back of the car and then get > >>pregnant..mindlessness..rush rush in and just do it..never thinking what > >>lies ahead... > >>just plain stupid... all for what a bit of hopeless stumbling and fumbling > >>in the dark ... > >> > >> > >> in america and ireland..no abortion in many places and the catholic men > >>preaching no pill no pill...plain stupid.. > >> if that's been judgemental be it so... > >> > >> > >> don't tell me you don't judge mike... > >>your not santa claus with your sack of toys from greenland... > >>your human like the rest of us on this forum... > >>prone to judge.. > >> > >> > >>prone to think ya right.. > >> > >> > >> prone to criticise when what's been said doesn't suit your doctrines and > >>your self made mantras... > >> > >> > >>you made that bright and clear in your observations of islam... > >>take a step back.. > >>might those folk you so put into the basket as terrorists may they not be > >>better called fundamentalists.. > >> they come in many shades and colours and creeds... and include zen > >>buddhists! > >>one size cap doeth not fit all... > >> > >> > >>now my turn to ring the gong... > >> > >> > >>amen... > >> > >> > >>merle > >> > >>Merle, > >> > >>Why be so quick to judge when we don't know the facts. They sound like > >>they're school friends and might have had some kind of relationship for > >>sometime. Why should someone on the other side of the planet (that's you) > >>feel like they have the right to judge either of them as criminal? I > >>thought you'd be against that kind of judgmentalism. > >> > >>Mike > >> > >> > >>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >> From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...>; > >>To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; > >>Subject: Re: [Zen] The desperate Kate > >>Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 9:08:06 AM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> it's illegal here hetro or homo... and for god sake..as i keep saying so > >>desperate was kate?..merle > >> > >>Merle, > >> > >>It's illegal in the USA too. That's why she's being charged with felonies > >>- probably statutory rape, corruption of a minor or child abuse. > >> > >>Tim and the people objecting to this say this would not be being prosecuted > >>if it were a heterosexual relationship and is only being pursued because of > >>the homosexual aspect. > >> > >>...Bill! > >> > >>--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> àshe's 18 and the other is 15...illegal in australia!.... excuse me > >>> could she not wait till the kiddy turned 16...so desperate!..merle > >>> > >>> > >>> à> >>> àDo people here know about the Free Kate Campaign? If not see > >>> www.freekate.net > >>> Kaitlyn Hunt, 18,who made international headlines after being charged > >>> with felonies for her same-sex relationship with a 15-year-old peer, has > >>> refused a plea deal offered by the state attorney's office, according to > >>> CBS affiliate WPEC. Under the state attorney's deal, Hunt would have been > >>> labeled a sex offender and placed on two years' house arrest. > >>> > >>> Go to http://www.change.org/freekate to sign the petition. 280,500+ > >>> signed by 5/25. FB page has 49,600 members. It goes on in every school > >>> and only gets > >>> prosecuted when the parents hate the older one. The law was meant for > >>> predators and not lovers. The punishment is a lifetime sentence. Thanks. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! 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