JMJM, I did not so much like but at least accepted your first post where you said "This inner divine, in Buddhist terms, is called Buddha nature." I can appreciate your attempt at associating Chan terms to terms more familiar to Zen Buddhists. But I think you've gone a bit too far now.
In your first statement I cringed slightly at the words 'inner' and 'divine'. The dualistic separation of 'inner' and 'outer' is not necessary and in fact misleading. The word 'divine' is also misleading in that it connotes something 'other-worldly', but I could let that slide as just a misuse of the language. But in your more lengthy quote below you've gone way overboard and assigning qualities and attributes to Buddha Nature that I certainly don't agree with. First of all Buddha Nature is not a "mental condition". It's experience. The phrase 'mental condition' makes it sound like it is some kind of intellectual process or state. It's not. I do however agree it's not a "flashy phenomenon". It's not a 'phenomenon', it's an experience. And it's not at all 'flashy', but very plain and common. I don't like you dividing up 'being' into 3 parts (physical, mental, spiritual) but can live with that since you then say these parts must be "harmonized, integrated and work in unison". There are not 3 parts, but maybe what you mean is the final state is One. I know 'Chi/qi' is a fundamental part of the belief system in Chan so I won't try to convince you it's just illusory, but that is my opinion. And finally, Buddha Nature is not as you say a "spiritual state". It's a common, plain, mundane, everyday occurrence (experience) and nothing special at all. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], 覺å¦ç²¾æ ï¼JMJMï¼ <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > Well since you asked me to go on... (Thank you) > > Therefore Buddha nature is not a just mental condition, or a flashy > phenomenon. It needs to be a consistent state of being. And once it is > in charge, it involves our entire being, physical, mental and > spiritual. All three parts will be harmonized, integrated and work in > unison. So much so, it even extends beyond ourselves to each sentient > being we encounter with at each moment. > > Buddha Nature needs energy for it to be powerful. Without Chi(qi) there > is no power. With energy, its sensibility enhances. It becomes all > knowing. It also can manifest in unison with the energy of the universe > to harmonize all phenomena. Many label this universal energy, "love". > > In essence, this wisdom, this loving kindness, this power are one of the > same, can not be separated. Some call it God. Some call it Buddha. > Some call it Allah. We are, by nature, it. There is no need to analyze > it, practice it, study it, master it, or discuss it. Just meditate > properly, it will shine through. > > Buddha Nature is a spiritual state simply can not be described by > words. After all, it is our Inner Divine. > > Hope you like it. > JM > > > On 6/4/2013 7:49 AM, Joe wrote: > > > > JM, > > > > Yes? Go on. > > > > --Joe > > > > > 覺å¦â¢Ã§Â²Â¾Ã¦ËŽ ï¼ËJMJMï¼Ⱐ<chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > This inner divine, in Buddhist terms, is called Buddha nature. > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
