Bill!, JMJM,
Chi is definitely not illusory. The fact that few Western people are trained
enough to be open enough to sense it is something of a pity. That is changing.
I will say openly that Chi is of no consequence in Chan, any more than
breathing is. I know that some teachers may mention it or even help individual
students with issues concerning it, but this is due to awareness of the matter
being more common in China and probably in Japan than in the West, so far.
Again, that is changing.
We can practice Chan, just as we practice Zen, and never mention Chi, just as
in Japan we don't need to mention ki.
The more adept Chan and Zen yogis know all about Chi or ki or Shakti, and don't
need to talk about it.
It is *not* a fundamental part of Chan.
JMJM may give me some heat for saying this, but I'll just give him some Chi,
right back. Gladly. Chan is Chan. Chi is Chi. Breathing is breathing.
--Joe
> "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
> I know 'Chi/qi' is a fundamental part of the belief system in Chan so I won't
> try to convince you it's just illusory, but that is my opinion.
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