Dear Bill, It is not hallucination, It is a fact. You could not comprehend, since it did not happen to you. Since it did not happen to you, it need not be a untrue.
Read my article again, this part ===== Maria was a migrant worker who had a severe heart attack while visiting friends in Seattle. She was rushed to Harborview Hospital and placed in the coronary care unit. A few days later, she had a cardiac arrest but was rapidly resuscitated. The following day, Clark visited her. Maria told Clark that during her cardiac arrest she was able to look down from the ceiling and watch the medical team at work on her body. At one point in this experience, said Maria, she found herself outside the hospital and spotted a tennis shoe on the ledge of the north side of the third floor of the building. She was able to provide several details regarding its appearance, including the observations that one of its laces was stuck underneath the heel and that the little toe area was worn. Maria wanted to know for sure whether she had "really" seen that shoe, and she begged Clark to try to locate it. Quite skeptical, Clark went to the location described by Mariaand found the tennis shoe. From the window of her hospital room, the details that Maria had recounted could not be discerned. But upon retrieval of the shoe, Clark confirmed Maria's observations. "The only way she could have had such a perspective," said Clark, "was if she had been floating right outside and at very close range to the tennis shoe. I retrieved the shoe and brought it back to Maria; it was very concrete evidence for me." ======== Now you tell me can anyone hallucinate, a tennis shoe located somewhere else and it was found exactly at the same location and same way it appeared as described. Another point here is if believed or accepted karma and reincarnation, which is the one in you which reincarnate? Certainly not the body and not the intellect, it is the soul, the true life energy in energy form goes from one body to other, until it is purified of attached forms. The word soul means spirit, in zen terms it is consciousness or awareness. You are aware not through body, but your very nature is awareness. There are many siddhas story in south India, who is famous in quitting their body and go and take other dead bodies and make it alive. You can also consciously try to separate the body and see yourself as pure awareness. It is possible if you deeply meditate. Best regards Suresh --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > Â > Â imagination suresh... merle > Â > Suresh, > > I would describe your and the female you mentioned experience of "seeing > one's own body separate from the body" as an hallucination, and certainly > nothing important vis-a-vis zen - other than it may have created just another > attachment you're going to have to let go of some day. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@> wrote: > > > > Dear Joe and all, > > > > I saw discussion on 'soul' in the forum since I have mentioned it. > > > > I want to know how you describe that my experience or that female in > > the New science article, that seeing one's own body separate from the > > body? > > > > A formless "I", the awareness seeing or aware of the body separately, > > what you call this? > > > > Soul is just a word to indicate "awareness" or Consciousness. Our main > > problem is that we don't know how to integrate knowledge. We got > > distracted by different sounded words. Since I mention "soul" you > > identify with Hinduism and separate it. > > > > Over words humans are separated, is it not some great mistake we do? > > > > Why we could not integrate knowledge? > > > > What Buddha spoke may be similar of Upanishad / shrutis, Advaita > > Vedanta. But he did not refer to it, since his knowledge of his own, > > born of his own experience, and found mistakes in following old Hindu > > scriptures, he developed new way, but essentially what he found was > > same as any Hindu rishis found and made it in Upanishad. > > > > Like wise every religious founders and many who has not founded any > > religion, but found the ultimate truth has taught as pure philosophy > > such as Socrates, Gurdjieff, JK, OSHO etc., > > > > Can we able to stop fighting over words? > > > > What is this word? > > > > A sound? > > > > Am I sound? > > > > From where this sound arises? > > > > I am also seeing, even eyes closed, there is seeing > > > > If seeing, am I light? > > > > Yes I am light > > > > From light sound arises > > > > From then whole cinema goes on. > > > > > > > > -- > > best regards > > Suresh > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards > > J.Suresh > > New No.3, Old No.7, > > Chamiers road - 1st Lane, > > Alwarpet, > > Chennai - 600018 > > Ph: 044 42030947 > > Mobile: 91 9884071738 > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! 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