Merle,

Lots of questions!  I've embedded my responses below:


> 
>  bill..i see so you are an atheist?..
>
Yes.
 
>  then you tell me there is buddha nature..again i ask what does this mean?...
>
And I tell you again: "Buddha Nature is a quality of all sentient beings.  It 
is pure, unadulterated, holistic awareness of sensual experience."  It is not a 
god and is not something separate, apart or different from you.
 
>  how does jesus christ fit into the scheme of things?...was he perfection of 
> buddha nature?..
>
>From what I've read about Jesus I think he was an enlightened teacher.  I 
>think he expressed his enlightenment and teachings in the language and terms 
>of Judaism, much like Buddha expressed his enlightenment and teachings n the 
>language and terms of Hinduism.

> and if so...
> he says he was the son of god
>  then was he deluded?
>
No, because I interpret the 'Son of God' to mean he was an instantiation of 
Buddha Nature.  In other words he was enlightened.
 
> how come the western world has been transformed by the power of christianity 
> since the time it became an  accepted religion
>
I'm not sure what you mean by 'transformed by the power of Christianity'.  I 
don't see that happening.  I do see the Western World has been transformed by 
the acceptance of logic and science.
 
>  how come atheists are not interested and accept buddhism...especially zen?
> 
I don't know what you mean about 'not interested', but many atheists describe 
themselves as Buddhist because they see Buddhism as a philosophy and not a 
religion which worships a deity.  Most Buddhists do worship Buddha as a deity, 
but most Westerners do not see Buddhism that way.

I'd think atheists would be drawn to zen because zen is not a religion, does 
not recognize a deity and focuses on experience rather than belief or 
understanding.

...Bill!


> merle
> 
>   
> Merle,
> 
> 'God' is a mental concept, an invention of the human intellect.  That makes 
> it(he/she) an illusion in my book.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> >  the greeks and romans had gods...they were not wise nor good...so what 
> > definition of god do you hold to, bill?...merle
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Merle,
> > 
> > Another good question.
> > 
> > Here is my working definition of 'Buddha Nature': "Buddha Nature is a 
> > quality of all sentient beings.  It is pure, unadulterated, holistic 
> > awareness of sensual experience."  In other words it's just sight, sound, 
> > smell, taste and/or touch BEFORE you intellectualize it (perceive) by 
> > giving it a name, classification, valuation (good/bad), associations, etc...
> > 
> > Here is Merriam-Webster Online's definition of 'God': 
> > "1: the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is a : the Being 
> > perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is a : the Being perfect in 
> > power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the 
> > universe
> > 2: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and 
> > powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a 
> > particular aspect or part of reality as creator and ruler of the universe"
> > 
> > The main differences IMO are that 'Buddha Nature' is natural and holistic 
> > (not separate from you), and 'God' is supernatural and dualistic (a 
> > separate being from you).
> > 
> > You EXPERIENCE Buddha Nature, whereas most people would say you WORSHIP God.
> > 
> > ...Bill!
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  buddha nature bill... you say no god then you say buddha 
> > > nature..please clarify..thanks ... merle
> > >   
> > > Merle,
> > > 
> > > Good question...
> > > 
> > > The terms 'zen' and 'atheism' are not the same classes of things.
> > > 
> > > My current working definition of 'zen' (not Zen Buddhism) is:  "Zen is a 
> > > human practice that assists in balancing the interplay between Human 
> > > Nature and Buddha Nature.  It does so by employing a variety of teaching 
> > > techniques that are used to temporarily halt intellectual processes 
> > > (Human Nature) which can obscure Buddha Nature.  After an initial 
> > > awareness of Buddha Nature zen practice consists of re-integrating Human 
> > > Nature and balancing it with Buddha Nature."
> > > 
> > > Merriam-Webster Online defines 'atheism' as:
> > > "a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
> > > b : the doctrine that there is no deity"
> > > 
> > > So...I would say IMO zen practice is atheistic.  It would be hard to 
> > > imagine a deist (someone who believes in a deity)practicing zen as I know 
> > > it.  There is some wiggle room here if you describe the experience of 
> > > holism (Buddha Nature) as 'God', but most uses of the word 'God' or 
> > > 'deity' refer to some being separate from yourself.
> > > 
> > > ...Bill! 
> > > 
> > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > question:...what is the difference  between zen and 
> > > > atheism?.... 
> > > > 
> > > > is enlightenment  merely an illusion? or perhaps even a 
> > > > delusion?
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > Merle
> > > > www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



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