i see joe...
is that what YOU were taught?..the wine- cellar scenario? there are teachers and teachers... and more teachers.. again i ask who is the teacher and who is the student? did not many a musical genius start his career in the basement to climb to the top of the dizzy heights? merle Merle, If you are asking about the general "you", then here is the procedure: you consult your teacher, or a teacher. A teacher knows all the signs, and cannot be fooled. A teacher can also tell you how to proceed, to deepen and "take care" of your realization. It is a long-term process. A Zen or Zen Buddhist teacher *MUST* check your Zen realization. If you have only yourself as your lawyer, then you have a fool for a client. There is no "pinnacle"; there is the basement. The wine-cellar. Again, it's not heights: it's spelunking. Best, --Joe > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > joe..question : how do you absolutely... for sure know you reached the >pinnacle of awakening? > > you might have reached a certain point..however need to go further and deeper > and longer... > > merle > > > Merle, > > quoting: > "question:...what is the difference between zen and atheism?" > > Atheism does not exist; Zen does. > > quoting: > "is enlightenment merely an illusion? or perhaps even a delusion?" > > Not to those who have experienced it. But they must continue to practice in > order to remain awake, and for their behavior to continue to be > "enlightened". Else, awakening becomes just a memory. > > --Joe
