Uncle Scrooge was my favorite. But I outgrew them.
Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > edgar...tolerance and compassion please... > > what is not a comic book to you? > > you are so so anti comic books > > did you actually ever get to read any as a kid? > > merle > > > > > Merle and Bill, > > Total comic book BS..... Jesus, a "fully enlightened teacher" ? What does > that even mean to you two? Obviously nothing other than a warm fuzzy ego > feeling you can use to put some concept to bed without thinking about it any > more.... > > Edgar > > > > > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> yes bill..me too i agree..merle >> >> Suresh, >> >> As you probably know I believe Jesus was a fully enlightened teacher. I >> think he just taught and spoke using the language of Judaism - much the way >> Buddha used the language of Hinduism. >> >> Two book I liked are: >> >> THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN which is a collection of writings by various >> authors including Alan Watts, and focused on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas >> (which is not in the official Bible). >> http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospel-According-Zen-Beyond/dp/0451627156 >> >> I also like THE MUSTARD SEED by Bagran Sri Rashneeh (AKA Osho) which also >> focused on the Gospel of Thomas. >> http://www.amazon.com/Mustard-Seed-Bhagwan-Shree-Rajneesh/dp/B000NXJ71M >> >> ...Bill! >> >> --- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@...> wrote: >>> >>> Jesus and Advaita:- >>> >>> HERE IS A COPY OF A MAIL RECEIVED FROM A FRIEND AND COMMENTS ARE WELCOME >>> >>> Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita:- >>> >>> Here an attempt is being made to interpret the parables of Jesus, in >>> the light of the knowledge contained in the innumerable scriptures of >>> our ancient land of Bharat. When interpreted thus, all sectarian ideas >>> imposed on the teachings of Christ, such as rejecting all alternative >>> paths, other than Christianity as false, will disappear. The illogical >>> tenets imposed by the Church such as making it mandatory for the whole >>> world to accept the person Jesus as their saviour, in order to be >>> saved from the eternal suffering in hell, finds no place in the real >>> teachings of Christ. >>> >>> Christ's teachings are primarily concerned about the ultimate reality >>> of the universe being one's real Self or consciousness. >>> He necessitates the withdrawal of one's senses from the sense objects >>> and relations of the world, so as to come into the eternal blissful >>> state of being one with the Self, which he calls "Entering the Kingdom >>> of Heaven". >>> >>> Hindu Rishis have declared, "Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahuta Vadanti" which >>> means "Truth is ONE; the learned people call it by different names". >>> This is a statement made by the Rishis who have attained self realisation. >>> The Rishi declares without an iota of doubt that Truth is one. >>> They say this because they have fully realised it themselves. >>> There is no scope for doubt. >>> They say it with absolute conviction. >>> They have seen the Truth themselves. >>> Therefore they say, wherever the learned men are, they speak about >>> this same Truth. >>> Because there is no second Truth about which anyone can speak. >>> Therefore the Rishi say, even though the learned men may use different >>> names, they all speak about the same Truth. >>> So whether you call it the `Kingdom of God', or you call it >>> JeevanMukthi they all refer to the liberated state of the soul. >>> >>> The teachings of Jesus are very much in accordance with the Advaita >>> Vedanta philosophy contained in Vedic texts. >>> Jesus does not speak about a Kingdom of God, which shall be >>> established in a future time. >>> In fact the Kingdom of God transcends time itself and one shall enter >>> it by living in the present moment, by connecting to one's inner Self. >>> Jesus says that in order to realise the Father one must detach oneself >>> from this objective manifested world which is impermanent, and >>> meditate on the Self. >>> >>> Jesus is a spiritual master who has to be seen as a Self realised >>> soul, a person who has attained the ultimate Goal prescribed in our >>> scriptures. >>> >>> The Text of the Gospel of Thomas >>> >>> These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke. >>> >>> This opening words of this text, gives a very important clue. >>> It says that the sayings are secret. >>> If we study the teachings of Jesus, he himself says that Truth cannot >>> be hidden and that it will reveal itself. >>> There is nothing secret about the teachings of Christ, in the sense >>> that it shouldn't be imparted to other people. >>> >>> If someone wants to experience sweetness merely hearing the word sweet >>> is not enough. >>> He must eat sugar himself so as to experience sweetness. >>> >>> And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings >>> will not taste death." >>> >>> Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. >>> 2When they find, they will be disturbed. 3When they are disturbed, >>> they will marvel, 4and will rule over all." >>> >>> This verse throws light on the knowledge of Jesus Christ about the >>> ultimate reality behind the universe. >>> These are the words of a real master, who has discovered the Truth himself. >>> The words come from a man of absolute conviction, who does not have to >>> think twice about what He is saying. >>> Jesus instructs his followers that they should not stop seeking the >>> Truth, until they find it. >>> He says this because the path to self realisation is narrow and full of >>> thorns. >>> >>> The Isavasya Upanishad says that Truth is hidden by a golden vessel. >>> The golden vessel is this objective world, which is a powerful >>> distraction for the seeker. >>> The seeker is likely to be distracted by this golden vessel that he >>> fails to see the Truth covered by it. >>> Jesus knows this fact very well. Man is being misguided by his senses >>> towards the sense objects, which are just the imagination of the mind. >>> >>> The world is not real. It is the creation of your mind. >>> If you have to know the ultimate reality, you must seek within >>> yourself; because there lays the source of this manifested universe. >>> It is from your consciousness that the world emerges. >>> But your mind is conditioned to think of this world as real. >>> It is so much attached to this world, which is its own creation that >>> it finds it very difficult to withdraw itself from the world and take >>> refuge in your self. >>> >>> Therefore Jesus says, you should not stop seeking until you find your >>> Self, because it is very likely that u get distracted in the middle. >>> Withdraw the senses, still your mind, and then you will find it. >>> When the mental noise stops your inner Being reveals itself. >>> You find the ultimate reality behind the universe. >>> >>> You will not find the Truth or God, if you seek it in this manifested world. >>> Science may attempt to find an ultimate answer about the origin of the >>> universe. >>> It may do the most expensive of all researches. >>> But so long as it searches outside they will never find it; because >>> the source lies within. It is our own consciousness. >>> >>> Jesus goes on to say that `When they find they will be disturbed'. >>> When we realise that the world which we were so much attached to was >>> nothing more than our own imagination, we will be shaken. >>> When we come into contact with reality for the first time we will get a >>> shock. >>> The Truth which becomes revealed to us on enquiry is the most magnificent >>> one. >>> >>> This marvellous blissful state is nearer to us than anything else, >>> because it is our own self. We shall be marvelled by this realisation. >>> This state of being whole, complete, perfect is what all the Beings >>> aspire to become. >>> Yet they don't know the means of attaining this. Every being on earth >>> wants to become complete. For that they run after materials objects, >>> with the hope that it makes them complete. On attainment of it they >>> experience peace. But they don't realise that this peace did not come >>> from outside. It is inherent in their Being. On fulfilling the desire, >>> by the possession of external objects, the mind retires to its source, >>> where it experiences joy and happiness. We are unnecessarily >>> projecting our happiness into external objects and then we run after >>> those objects. On fulfilling a desire the mind settles down, thereby >>> our inherent peace will again become revealed. >>> >>> Jesus says, `When they are disturbed, they will marvel and will rule >>> over all'. When the seeker discovers the inner peace, he shall marvel, >>> because he now has the most precious possession in life. Everything >>> else will fade in front of its glory. When the inner Self is >>> discovered everything else ceases to exist for him, just as how the >>> mirage in a desert ceases to exist as a reality in one's mind, on >>> realising that it is an illusion. For the ignorant the mirage is real, >>> but for the wise, it is just an illusion. Similarly when one realises >>> the truth, that the world is just a movement in our own consciousness >>> and that it does not have an existence of its own, one shall rule over >>> all, because he is no more a slave to the world. He knows that he is >>> the creator, sustainer and destroyer of the universe. >>> >>> read more... >>> http://paritrana.blog.co.in/category/religion/jesus/ >>> >>> "I [Jesus] am in God, and you are in Me, and I am in you." >>> John 14:12 >>> >>> For me it's a dualistic way to explain the unexplainable non-dual >>> state which is the nature of God. It's the most available way of >>> description of reality that Jesus could give to the Jewish people >>> which were in a totally dual state of consciousness. >>> >>> Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita >>> >>> I AM THAT I AM >>> >>> The Kingdom of God is within you. >>> >>> Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita >>> >>> Quote >>> "If you had known Me (Jesus), you also would have known My Father, and >>> from this hour you do know Him and you have seen Him." >>> John 14:7 >>> >>> Jesus confirms that which Advaita teaches. Guru (Jesus) is the full >>> manifestation of God (Brahman) as Atman in Him. >>> >>> Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita >>> >>> These are of the most profound expressions in Bible and at all. Some >>> people argue that the correct translation of "within" is "among" or >>> "in the midst of" but oldest Bible sources tanslate it as "within". >>> >>> I am that I am is the Name of the Lord that He Himself gave to the world. >>> >>> Quote >>> God said to Moses, "I AM WHO (THAT) I AM. This is what you are to say >>> to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you'." Exodus 3:14 >>> >>> Quote >>> Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would >>> come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your >>> careful observation, nor will people say, `Here it is,' or `There it >>> is,' because the kingdom of God is withinb you." >>> Luke 17:20,21 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks and best regards >>> J.Suresh >>> New No.3, Old No.7, >>> Chamiers road - 1st Lane, >>> Alwarpet, >>> Chennai - 600018 >>> Ph: 044 42030947 >>> Mobile: 91 9884071738 >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! 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