Mike, Merle's right. If the films were made by zombies or werewolves I imagine humans would be the villains.
Which reminds me... A couple posts ago I wrote: "I wouldn't want to be a zombie or werewolf." ...but if I were a zombie or werewolf I would have probably written: "I wouldn't want to be a human." ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > Â mike...the films were made by humans... merle > Â > Joe, > > Wow, all those zombie and werewolf movies got it wrong then. Don't try to > survive. Just get bit and enjoy your new nature eating brains and ripping > people apart. Maybe we should also feel somewhat envious of brain-damaged car > accident survivors.? After all, they have no ability to know they no longer > have a self to transcend. > > Mike > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe <desert_woodworker@...>; > To: <[email protected]>; > Subject: Re: [Zen] how good is that? > Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:51:09 PM > > > Â > Mike, > > I have a feeling that animals don't have the sense that they have a "self". > > Thus, for them, there is nothing to surmount, nor to transcend, because a > self is not in fact a part of their psyche. > > I say "in fact", but that is part of my assertion (it would be hard to test > or to prove). > > We only gauge that Humans have a "self" because they say they do, or they say > that they feel that they do (they never prove it to us); and, by personal > introspection. > > However, after (our) sufficient personal introspection, we find no self, but > find a nature which had merely been covered, for long, by illusory mental > activity and our holding of images or sensations before the mind, like a > screen, via "thoughts" that we could not let go of, for various and multiple > reasons. > > The fact that Humans *can* slough off the sense of a sense and return to > their original nature is a good escape hatch, but one that animals do not > need. > > Animal don't need the medicine, because they were never ill. > > To me, it seems that animals very gracefully accept the way that they must > live: > > It seems that Humans make themselves take it on the chin, > While animals live in utter Grace. > Human beings labor to regain their Original Face, > While even Dung Beetles have a shit-eatin' grin! > > --Joe > > > uerusuboyo@ wrote: > > > > Bill!,<br/><br/>Like I said in another post, it's not a question of being > > superior to animals (good or bad), but that we have the potential to > > transcend the self and realise our true nature - true peace and happiness > > that comes with a cessation of suffering. No other animal that we know of > > can do that. It's not because we're chosen or have been singled out, but > > because evolution has gone that way for us (whether that's a natural > > consequence of life and evolution, I don't know). Spiders and foxes blindly > > follow their instincts with no ability for introspection/empathy towards > > others in regard of their actions. Are you seriously saying that > > unwaveringly following their nature is more exalted than our ability to do > > those things?? You and Merle can bemoan the fact you weren't born as ants > > or fruit-bats, but I'll rejoice in my humanity and "strive" to reach our > > highest potential. > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
