my italian greyhounds..Ralph and max... my whippet : jimmy...when aussie boy was killed on the road..by a hot headed driver ...we saw it happen..the guy driving is an ego filled "p"... jimmy boy..he tried to so hard to make auusie boy be alive... in his doggie way... max will come and sit with me when i am sad... and through his gracious love my day is lightened... must i go on? do research on net..jane goodall... merle
Merle, And can you realistically name me any other animal who would express such universal compassion? Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]>; To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Subject: [Zen] the colours of the rainbow are the colours of my mind Sent: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:58:25 AM mike...you read me wrong...i see you have a very black and white view of reality or you think i do.. i see shades of grey... well many shades of every colour......as the coat of many colours of joseph note the quote i wrote in my dictionary when i was 15 "i pass through this world but once, any good therefore that i may do, any kindness that i may show to any fellow creature, let me do it now. let me not defer, nor neglect it for i may not pass this way again" ...unknown now tell me tell me... pray tell me tell me more merle Merle, I find it impossible to discuss this with you. You have such a cynical view of people that you're completely closed to what I'm saying. Just because you see self interest in every human act of love, kindness and compassion doesn't make it so. This tells me that you've never truly done an act out of love or compassion because in truth you simply had a "hidden agenda". You can't have it both ways. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]>; To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] rise above Sent: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:37:27 AM mike...ho ho hum...many act so cos "the bible told em so"..good two shoes..just in case there is a heaven and a hell... ho ho hum...name the ONE who acts out of love and love alone.... very few and far between... mostly it's a hidden agenda... and that is so with the atheist as well as the godly ones,,including the zen folk...merle Edgar, When a person sacrifices themselves for another, even if no one else is aware of them doing so, they're not acting like the dog in Pavlov's experiment. A tiger can be *trained* not to eat the human, but usually by punitive methods against his will. This is what I mean by "transcend". Humans can act altruistically by choice - not just out of fear or reward. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad ________________________________ From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]>; To: <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] rise above Sent: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:37:23 AM MIke, That we are able to "transcend base instincts" and animals aren't is an illusion. Animals very often alter their initial instinctual behavior in the presence of good reasons to do so. That's exactly the same mechanism that cause humans to alter their initial instinctual behaviors. The dog doesn't do 'bad' things it would instinctually want to do because of the disapproval of its master. Humans don't do instinctual things they might naturally do because of the consequences they anticipate. Exactly same mechanism that holds throughout the animal kingdom. All animals alter their instinctual behavior in the face of perceived negative consequences of it. Same mechanism humans follow... Edgar On Jun 23, 2013, at 8:02 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Merle,<br/><br/>> you seem to have it in for animals, insects > etc.<br/><br/>Don't put words into my mouth that were never there!<br/><br/>I > was careful to point out in my earlier post that we are *not* superior to > other animals, just unique in our ability to transcend base instincts. > Constantly giving me examples of the terrible things humans do to each other, > other animals and the environment does *not* constitute an argument against > this premise. Human beings have the sense of sight. To keep bringing up > examples of blind people you know doesn't negate the first > point.<br/><br/>Mike<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
