Neither should the "reality" it represents be mistaken for experience.
Fuck zen, I'm hungry! -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:10 PM PBS, Math, logic, reason like all delusions should come with the caveat 'suitable for everyday use'. As a universal human language to communicate our logical concepts it's very useful, but it should never be mistaken for reality. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], <pandabananasock@...> wrote: > > Bill!: > You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking for an impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D > > The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you back to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the model, then we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we realize that both are models of each other and the same, and experience encompasses all -- no need for anything else. Rivers and mountains become rivers and mountains again! > ~PeeBeeEss > > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM > > PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three > Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... > > I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is > such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a > moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of > the act itself. > > But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], > pandabananasock@ wrote: > > > > > > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, > that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes > 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different > equations, but they are not in the least bit > different. The equal-sign is the present. > > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the > cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something > "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic > reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good" > thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > >...Bill! > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have > read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > [email protected] > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links [email protected] ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
