Merle, Yes. It's an e-delusion... ;>)
--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  ..is  cyber space a delusion?..merle > > >  > Bill, > > Math is a subset of logic. Think of software which incorporates both. Would > it work for you if I said that the world of forms is a logico-mathematical > computational system? Human math and logic are approximations of that in > human mental models of reality. They work because they do, in the large part, > accurately model the external reality of the world of forms.... > > Edgar > > > > > On Jul 4, 2013, at 7:01 AM, Bill! wrote: > >  > >Edgar, > > > >Reality is not bound by logic. I'd buy your statement if you said 'math > >words because it accurately models our logically-based perception of > >reality', but I suppose that wouldn't work for you. > > > >...Bill! > > > >--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > >> > >> Bill, > >> > >> No, no, no. Human math works because it DOES accurately model the actual > >> logic of reality. > >> > >> Edgar > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Bill! wrote: > >> > >> > Chris, > >> > > >> > Mathematics doesn't reveal reality. Mathematics only mirrors the human > >> > intellect. > >> > > >> > ...Bill! > >> > > >> > --- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > The thing I like about math as a source of analogies for zen is that it > >> > > shows how two different things csn br exactly the same. > >> > > > >> > > Linear equations over reals are lines. Lines are linear equations. > >> > > Numbers, points, the constituents drop away as the eternal unity is > >> > > seen. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > --Chris > >> > > 301-270-6524 > >> > > On Jul 3, 2013 8:12 AM, <pandabananasock@> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Bill!: > >> > > > You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking > >> > > > for an > >> > > > impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D > >> > > > > >> > > > The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you > >> > > > back > >> > > > to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the model, > >> > > > then > >> > > > we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we realize that > >> > > > both > >> > > > are models of each other and the same, and experience encompasses > >> > > > all -- no > >> > > > need for anything else. Rivers and mountains become rivers and > >> > > > mountains > >> > > > again! > >> > > > ~PeeBeeEss > >> > > > > >> > > > -------------------------------------------- > >> > > > On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect > >> > > > and > >> > > > Karma > >> > > > To: [email protected] > >> > > > Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM > >> > > > > >> > > > PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three > >> > > > Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... > >> > > > > >> > > > I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is > >> > > > such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a > >> > > > moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of > >> > > > the act itself. > >> > > > > >> > > > But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. > >> > > > > >> > > > ...Bill! > >> > > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected], > >> > > > pandabananasock@ wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, > >> > > > that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes > >> > > > 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different > >> > > > equations, but they are not in the least bit > >> > > > different. The equal-sign is the present. > >> > > > > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the > >> > > > cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something > >> > > > "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic > >> > > > reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good" > >> > > > thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > >> > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >...Bill! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------ > >> > > > > >> > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have > >> > > > read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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