Noting that I did not state that math represents reality, we may happily disagree.
Most people that discover new math do indeed find it to have that same "stays even if you ignore it" cussedness as reality. Not that it's reality. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jul 3, 2013 8:35 PM, "Bill!" <[email protected]> wrote: > Chris, > > I fundamentally disagree with you. > > Math is no difference than logic or reason. I know many think that math > represents reality, exists 'out there' and we 'discover it'. > > IMO math is just a projection of human intellect. We project it on > reality the very same way we project all delusions. > > In reality there are no integers, no straight line, no circles, etc... > > That's the way I see it anyway... > > --- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@...> wrote: > > > > The math's an analogy. > > > > But I will speak up for math by stating math does something different > than > > mirror the small individual's intellect. Perhaps it mirrors the > essential > > uncreated mind :) Like reality it has a certain independence from > thoughts > > and selves. Unlike reality, it's not reality. > > > > --Chris > > > > Thanks, > > > > --Chris > > chris@... > > +1-301-270-6524 > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > Mathematics doesn't reveal reality. Mathematics only mirrors the human > > > intellect. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The thing I like about math as a source of analogies for zen is that > it > > > > shows how two different things csn br exactly the same. > > > > > > > > Linear equations over reals are lines. Lines are linear equations. > > > > Numbers, points, the constituents drop away as the eternal unity is > > > seen. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > --Chris > > > > 301-270-6524 > > > > On Jul 3, 2013 8:12 AM, <pandabananasock@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bill!: > > > > > You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking > for > > > an > > > > > impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D > > > > > > > > > > The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you > > > back > > > > > to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the > model, > > > then > > > > > we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we realize > that > > > both > > > > > are models of each other and the same, and experience encompasses > all > > > -- no > > > > > need for anything else. Rivers and mountains become rivers and > > > mountains > > > > > again! > > > > > ~PeeBeeEss > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of > Cause-and-Effect and > > > > > Karma > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM > > > > > > > > > > PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three > > > > > Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... > > > > > > > > > > I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is > > > > > such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a > > > > > moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of > > > > > the act itself. > > > > > > > > > > But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > > > pandabananasock@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, > > > > > that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes > > > > > 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different > > > > > equations, but they are not in the least bit > > > > > different. The equal-sign is the present. > > > > > > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the > > > > > cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something > > > > > "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic > > > > > reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good" > > > > > thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have > > > > > read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read > or > > > are > > > > > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or > are > > > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
