Dear all,
I have doubts on Ramana Teachings, can anyone clarify me on this?
Read below the extract from A SADHU’S REMINISCENCES and NAAN YAAR (Who am I)
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D: Will there not be realization of the Self even while the world is
there (taken as real)?
M:There will not be.
D:Why?
M:The seer and the object seen are like the rope and the snake. Just
as the knowledge of the rope which is the substrate will not arise
unless the false knowledge of the illusory serpent goes, so the
realization of the Self which is the substrate will not be gained
unless the belief that the world is real is removed.
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M:But in deep sleep, although the mind becomes quiescent, the breath
does not stop. This is because of the will of God, so that the body
may be preserved and other people may not be under the impression that
it is dead.
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In dissolution there remains only the non-dual Brahman and no Isvara.
Clearly there cannot be His will. When it is said that in dissolution
all are withdrawn from manifestation and remain unmanifest, it means
that the jivas, all the universe, and Isvara have all become
unmanifest. The unmanifest Isvara cannot exercise His will.
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After reading above from Ramana books, a three different statement, I
sense a contradictory in these statements.
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1) First statement states that world is unreal (only self is), but in
second statement god preserve the body by breathing since other should
not consider that person as dead. If the world is unreal, why god has
to preserve the body when the body is in deep sleep?, the body belongs
to the world, hence when self is considerd as real, all become unreal
(maya) including body.
2) In third statement Maharishi states there is no Isvara (god) in
dissolution, only non-dual Brahman (self) and also went on to state
that the unmanifest Isvara cannot exercise his will, then how on the
second statement he states god preserves the body by his will? So what
is god? Is there a god separate from self (non-dual Brahman) or self
is god?
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Am I clear in putting my question/doubt? If yes, please
explain/provide clear answer.
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Thanks and best regards
J.Suresh
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