After I read your other mail about Ramana, I did google the name and am familiar with the writings and teachings of him.
As a child of the 60's he was very popular with our youth, rock stars and movie stars here in the US and I am just wondering how much of his words are from speeches he made or talks he gave as opposed to collective writings that he did. I myself was a speaker at one time and in my talks, would insert other words or phrases into the same speech many times for clarification or if I had a change of heart on what I might have said at an earlier time. When reading literature or quotes, I generally take what I need and leave the rest. M On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:09 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear all, > > I have doubts on Ramana Teachings, can anyone clarify me on this? > > Read below the extract from A SADHU’S REMINISCENCES and NAAN YAAR (Who am > I) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > D: Will there not be realization of the Self even while the world is > there (taken as real)? > > M:There will not be. > > D:Why? > > M:The seer and the object seen are like the rope and the snake. Just > as the knowledge of the rope which is the substrate will not arise > unless the false knowledge of the illusory serpent goes, so the > realization of the Self which is the substrate will not be gained > unless the belief that the world is real is removed. > ========================================================== > > M:But in deep sleep, although the mind becomes quiescent, the breath > does not stop. This is because of the will of God, so that the body > may be preserved and other people may not be under the impression that > it is dead. > ============================================================= > > In dissolution there remains only the non-dual Brahman and no Isvara. > Clearly there cannot be His will. When it is said that in dissolution > all are withdrawn from manifestation and remain unmanifest, it means > that the jivas, all the universe, and Isvara have all become > unmanifest. The unmanifest Isvara cannot exercise His will. > ========================================================= > After reading above from Ramana books, a three different statement, I > sense a contradictory in these statements. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 1) First statement states that world is unreal (only self is), but in > second statement god preserve the body by breathing since other should > not consider that person as dead. If the world is unreal, why god has > to preserve the body when the body is in deep sleep?, the body belongs > to the world, hence when self is considerd as real, all become unreal > (maya) including body. > > 2) In third statement Maharishi states there is no Isvara (god) in > dissolution, only non-dual Brahman (self) and also went on to state > that the unmanifest Isvara cannot exercise his will, then how on the > second statement he states god preserves the body by his will? So what > is god? Is there a god separate from self (non-dual Brahman) or self > is god? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Am I clear in putting my question/doubt? If yes, please > explain/provide clear answer. > > -- > Thanks and best regards > J.Suresh > New No.3, Old No.7, > Chamiers road - 1st Lane, > Alwarpet, > Chennai - 600018 > Ph: 044 42030947 > Mobile: 91 9884071738 > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
