is that you KG from a blast in the past?...merle
The point of all pointers is to raise such doubt. Otherwise, there is clarity and no need of such pointers. This is not science class. Ramana is not teaching you things to know. You must go into this and see this directly. It has nothing to do with what you think, or don't think about it. Contradiction is a matter of limited opinions, of positions. Stop preposing the preposterous and simply (or not) look. KG --- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@...> wrote: > > Dear all, > > I have doubts on Ramana Teachings, can anyone clarify me on this? > > Read below the extract from A SADHU'S REMINISCENCES and NAAN YAAR (Who am I) > ---------------------------------------------------------- > D: Will there not be realization of the Self even while the world is > there (taken as real)? > > M:There will not be. > > D:Why? > > M:The seer and the object seen are like the rope and the snake. Just > as the knowledge of the rope which is the substrate will not arise > unless the false knowledge of the illusory serpent goes, so the > realization of the Self which is the substrate will not be gained > unless the belief that the world is real is removed. > ========================================================== > > M:But in deep sleep, although the mind becomes quiescent, the breath > does not stop. This is because of the will of God, so that the body > may be preserved and other people may not be under the impression that > it is dead. > ============================================================= > > In dissolution there remains only the non-dual Brahman and no Isvara. > Clearly there cannot be His will. When it is said that in dissolution > all are withdrawn from manifestation and remain unmanifest, it means > that the jivas, all the universe, and Isvara have all become > unmanifest. The unmanifest Isvara cannot exercise His will. > ========================================================= > After reading above from Ramana books, a three different statement, I > sense a contradictory in these statements. > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > 1) First statement states that world is unreal (only self is), but in > second statement god preserve the body by breathing since other should > not consider that person as dead. If the world is unreal, why god has > to preserve the body when the body is in deep sleep?, the body belongs > to the world, hence when self is considerd as real, all become unreal > (maya) including body. > > 2) In third statement Maharishi states there is no Isvara (god) in > dissolution, only non-dual Brahman (self) and also went on to state > that the unmanifest Isvara cannot exercise his will, then how on the > second statement he states god preserves the body by his will? So what > is god? Is there a god separate from self (non-dual Brahman) or self > is god? > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Am I clear in putting my question/doubt? If yes, please > explain/provide clear answer. > > -- > Thanks and best regards > J.Suresh > New No.3, Old No.7, > Chamiers road - 1st Lane, > Alwarpet, > Chennai - 600018 > Ph: 044 42030947 > Mobile: 91 9884071738 >
