question bill...do any of us really see things as they really are?...and who 
is the judge and jury to say that this has happened to one?
i think it might be a goal to work towards however individuals who achieve this 
fully would be few and far  between
 already you complain of pain as a burden in a previous post...when in reality 
it is a matter of acceptance
merle


  
Aham,

IMO zen is a set of teachings that first enable you to experience Buddha Nature 
("to see things as they really are" in Vipassana-speak) and then to incorporate 
that experience into your daily life.

These teachings usually do employ a meditation technique - zazen - which in 
Japanese means 'sit zen'.  Although there are many beginning techniques used to 
learn to do zazen and the most popular does involve using the breath as does 
Vipassana; but all zen techniques (zazen, koan study, chanting, bowing, etc...) 
are all geared to bring you eventually to a meditative state called 
'shikantaza' which means 'just sit' or 'only sit' in Japanese.  It is the same 
(I believe) as what the Buddhist Sutras refer to as 'samadhi'.  It is in this 
state that you may experience Buddha Nature ("see things as they really are").

>From what little I know about Vipassana there are a lot of similarities with 
>zen, and of course there should be if they are both taking you to the same 
>place.

There are participants in this forum that know more about Vipassana than I, and 
also participants that probably have a different opinion of what zen is than 
I've just wrote out.

I hope you'll hear from them.

Welcome to the Zen Forum...

...Bill!

--- In [email protected], "reconceiving1942" <aham@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, 
> 
> I am new here in this group.
> I am familiar with some meditation techiques, where vipassana became the 
> strongest one for me.
> 
> What exactly is zen?
> is zen a mediation technique or a quality of life?
> If so, can any one describe this quality?
> 
> Aham
>


 

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