"Falling 'victim' to this world" may apear to be a trap, or a frenzied
game of in and out like 'Whack-aMole', or some twisted Fun House mirror
maze - but how else can this appear? ;)
Seeking to escape such appearances, to seek to only have personally
preferable experiences, is what Siddhartha Gotama called "desire". Folks
here have read enough on where that leads.
Worldly preferences for vanilla vs. chocolate, or black robes vs.
yellow, or boys vs. girls - are of no concern as temporal enjoyments
experienced as they present -they are aspects of the persona (mask) -
unless there is attachment - by which I mean you experience some
love/hate toward them. Same goes for pain/pleasure. These all arise
naturally. It's what else comes up in response that seems problematic -
but only this can offers us insight into our presumed and self-generated
predicament.
Grasping and rejecting what presents, which along with/and reinforcing
ignorance of our true nature, form 'The Three Poisons'. Thus many who
are attached to developing better/higher/more spiritual selves, to any
personal attainment, seal their fate as surely as the most profane 'sinner'.
That is not to say don't do 'spiritually' oriented things, but rather
not to be beguiled by them. Spirit is expression, not collection.
Holy/Spiritual Ego is the most deceptive of all its disguises, and is
always passing the plate asking for more (devotion, practice,
mindfulness, whatever).
The best you can do is remember? This is not mindfulness. Memory is a
habit. Attachment to/dreams of reviving the dead. Pure delusion.
Forgetting is little better. Rejection of same empty baggage (3 Poisons
- again).
Simply laugh, or cry.
KG
PS - Buddha said Karma is intention. I'd add that Suffering is
expectation. Two sides of same worthless coin. Whatever troubles you -
simplify your inquiry by first looking into your intentions and
expectations. They're the Yin/Yang of self-delusion. Nothing against
using the imagination for planning and reflection - but things get
sticky all too easily as soon as we begin to believe any of it.
Non-attachment, is not detachment. It is the cessation (effortlessly -
by realization, not effort) of the delusional cycle of attachment and
rejection. Only this allows direct engagement - and vice versa.
Rambling again, more words only makes a mess. Edit the above to just the
first two lines of the PS - as that contains the rest.
On 8/27/2013 4:37 PM, larry maher wrote:
Thank you so much for that. Spot on. Unfortunately, can talk this
stuff all day long, but practicing it? living it? In minutes I fall
'victim' to this world without even knowing it.The best I can do is to
remember to remember.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Kristopher Grey <k...@kgrey.com
<mailto:k...@kgrey.com>> wrote:
All thoughts, afterthoughts.
All actions, reactions.
Seemly that, Seamless this.
The neural lag/disconnect are aspects of 'Maya', the dance or
interplay (Lila) therewith. In that sense, illusory. Like time.
Nothing escapes Indra's net, nothing caught by it. Only the
ever-present interweaving of emptiness into suchness.
To parrot-phrase Wei Wu Wei (aka Terence Gray - who Suresh might
enjoy reading as no doubt Mr. Tolle has): 'Maya' = manifestation.
KG
On 8/27/2013 9:41 AM, Bill! wrote:
Kris,
I agree. I call the thought world 'delusion' - past, present and
future. As far as I can tell there are no thoughts of the
present. There is only experience in the present, and experience
preceeds thought.
...Bill!
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<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Kristopher Grey <kris@...>
<mailto:kris@...> wrote:
>
> On 8/27/2013 12:14 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote:
> > Stress starts the moment you move away from now into the
thought world
> > of past and future.
>
> The "thought world" can only exist "now".
> Thoughts, arising and passing, now.
> Thought, is an aspect of now.
>
> Another word for what you are describing as "the thought world
of past
> and future" is simply 'imagination', which can only presents as a
> problem to the extent you believe it to be separate or otherwise
> different from "now". In an of itself, such thinking is just
thinking. A
> useful survival mechanism. Realizing this, it serves. Deluded
by this,
> it hinders. "Now".
>
> KG
>
--
/Larry Maher/
