What 'now'? Beyond its use as a conceptual dead end - no such thing can be found.

There is only experiencing. Experiences and experiencers, just aspects of this. To call this eternally ever-presently unfolding experiencing 'the now' is preposterous. But then so is any way of saying this. ;)

Like I just said to Larry: We are lost in drawing our own maps...

KG

On 8/27/2013 9:18 PM, Bill! wrote:

Andrew,

What this statement means to me is the the PERCEPTION (thoughts about) 'now' (experience) might have the shelf-life of 3 seconds, but perceptions are not experience.

All thoughts, IMO, are either memories (past) or projections (future), both of which are delusions. Only experience is now.

...Bill!

--- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, larry maher <lcmaher22@...> wrote:
>
> The 'Now' seems to be a three second bit of awareness continually rolling
> by us. At least that's what some researchers say. Of course, who knows?
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Kris,
> >
> > I agree. I call the thought world 'delusion' - past, present and future. > > As far as I can tell there are no thoughts of the present. There is only
> > experience in the present, and experience preceeds thought.
> >
> > ...Bill!
> >
> > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 8/27/2013 12:14 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote:
> > > > Stress starts the moment you move away from now into the thought world
> > > > of past and future.
> > >
> > > The "thought world" can only exist "now".
> > > Thoughts, arising and passing, now.
> > > Thought, is an aspect of now.
> > >
> > > Another word for what you are describing as "the thought world of past
> > > and future" is simply 'imagination', which can only presents as a
> > > problem to the extent you believe it to be separate or otherwise
> > > different from "now". In an of itself, such thinking is just thinking. A > > > useful survival mechanism. Realizing this, it serves. Deluded by this,
> > > it hinders. "Now".
> > >
> > > KG
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> *Larry Maher*
>



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